I am thinking this is ick?

[WhatCouldGoWrong71]

I think I have some reading to catch up on. Can someone confirm what this is? I assume the sticky posts are where I should do all my reading about this. Can I assume that all is covered? How to treat, what to do with my display (treatment or what...?) QT all fish for how long, etc, etc?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I think I have some reading to catch up on. Can someone confirm what this is? I assume the sticky posts are where I should do all my reading about this. Can I assume that all is covered? How to treat, what to do with my display (treatment or what...?) QT all fish for how long, etc, etc?

Hate to ask but are you able to clean glass and provide pic again?
Hard to disinherited from dots on glass and dots on fish
Often clowns get secondary lesions confused with ich. Need to determine

 

[WhatCouldGoWrong71]

@vetteguy53081 That's from the top looking down. He is resting on the bottom of the tank. Fortunately I wanted to give the little fellow the night to see if maybe he just had 1 too many this evening. Let me see if I can summon the picture gods. BRB @Susannah.odle

 

[WhatCouldGoWrong71]

@vetteguy53081 That's from the top looking down. He is resting on the bottom of the tank. Fortunately I wanted to give the little fellow the night to see if maybe he just had 1 too many this evening. Let me see if I can summon the picture gods. BRB @Susannah.odle

 

[WhatCouldGoWrong71]

Well, that didn’t go as planned. But, perhaps that will work.

 

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Sorry. I’m no expert but have a lot of experience with ich. I don’t know that I’ve ever had brookynella but you might google that. Any spots on other fish? If ich I’ve done both the TTM Tank Transfer Method and Copper Power. TTM a lot of work and hard if you have a lot of fish or big ones. I went copper when my big boys got it.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Sorry to see. You can't really see ich on a dead fish. The discoloration on the belly looks like something else though. I think you need to move to "damage control" - if it was ich, any other fish in with this one have been exposed.

So - what other fish were in with it?
Do they show any symptoms?
Can you post a video of them if you are unsure, maybe we can tell.

Jay

 

[vetteguy53081]

Well, that didn’t go as planned. But, perhaps that will work.

Oh no. Sorry to see. I assume fish was dead before placed on paper towel?

 

[WhatCouldGoWrong71]

Fish was dead when I placed it on the towel.

@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081 here is a link to pics and videos.

- Tank was set up 60 days ago
- Wet ocean rock was dark cured in display for 30 days
- performing 20% water changes weekly
- fish were not QT’d, I know… all came from the same LFS about 30 days apart, I know I know. Never again will I short cut this
- 2 clowns (small, 1 left)
- 1 Hippo
- Fox face
- Brown tang
- 2 lawn mowers

- Tank is a Reefer 250
- Alkalinity is 8.1
- Too new to be testing calcium and magnesium, plus with water changes they were in line 3 weeks ago when I did test
- nitrate >5.0
- Phosphate .12

I don’t see any symptoms, but my wife thinks the fox is breathing hard.

Sick Fish? - Google Drive

drive.google.com

 

[vetteguy53081]

Fish was dead when I placed it on the towel.

@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081 here is a link to pics and videos.

- Tank was set up 60 days ago
- Wet ocean rock was dark cured in display for 30 days
- performing 20% water changes weekly
- fish were not QT’d, I know… all came from the same LFS about 30 days apart, I know I know. Never again will I short cut this
- 2 clowns (small, 1 left)
- 1 Hippo
- Fox face
- Brown tang
- 2 lawn mowers

- Tank is a Reefer 250
- Alkalinity is 8.1
- Too new to be testing calcium and magnesium, plus with water changes they were in line 3 weeks ago when I did test
- nitrate >5.0
- Phosphate .12

I don’t see any symptoms, but my wife thinks the fox is breathing hard.

Sick Fish? - Google Drive

drive.google.com

Phos a little high- were you using any tap water ?
That was a bit of fish for 7 weeks considering at least a week for tank cycling and a 32: X 20" tank with rock added at about 46 useable gallons suggesting possibility of low oxygen and even an ammonia spike

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Fish was dead when I placed it on the towel.

@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081 here is a link to pics and videos.

- Tank was set up 60 days ago
- Wet ocean rock was dark cured in display for 30 days
- performing 20% water changes weekly
- fish were not QT’d, I know… all came from the same LFS about 30 days apart, I know I know. Never again will I short cut this
- 2 clowns (small, 1 left)
- 1 Hippo
- Fox face
- Brown tang
- 2 lawn mowers

- Tank is a Reefer 250
- Alkalinity is 8.1
- Too new to be testing calcium and magnesium, plus with water changes they were in line 3 weeks ago when I did test
- nitrate >5.0
- Phosphate .12

I don’t see any symptoms, but my wife thinks the fox is breathing hard.

Sick Fish? - Google Drive

drive.google.com

The foxface is a bit thin. I couldn’t get a clear enough view to see if it is breathing fast. Watch for salt sized white spots on the fish, as well as rapid breathing (over about 100 gill beats per minute).

Jay

 

[WhatCouldGoWrong71]

@vetteguy53081 First, I want to say thanks for all the help over the last several months as I found this website. No on tap, I have 7+ stage set up.

Agreed on speed. I think in the back of my mind the system could handle it. I should share that I have a RSMax500 that is >4 years old. I had put about 10 pounds of ceramic biomedia that I had in that system for a long time that I place in the sump in this set up (still there) to help, in conjunction with the live rock, jump start and digest the ammonia.

When I dark cured this tank I had significant bio die off that drove my ammonia to >2.5 for about 5 days, then it came straight down to .02-.03. I am using Hanna and there is a .05 +/- margin of error. To me .02 = 0 with that type of spread. Any tank I test with my tester, using that tester, is never zero (debating about getting a Seneye to prove this theory out, other testers read zero that I have used).

With all that said, I did have a 36 hour spike, or I think. My Hanna read .70 one day after adding 3 fish in 2 days. 18 hours later it was .30 then 24 hours later .02.

I can shift to water changes every 2 days if that would help.

Phosphates have been a struggle in this tank. My others are right inline at .04-.06. I am deploying all the same exact tactics but just haven't been successful yet.

The low O2 is very interesting. Air stone?

 

[WhatCouldGoWrong71]

@Susannah.odle

 

[vetteguy53081]

@vetteguy53081 First, I want to say thanks for all the help over the last several months as I found this website. No on tap, I have 7+ stage set up.

Agreed on speed. I think in the back of my mind the system could handle it. I should share that I have a RSMax500 that is >4 years old. I had put about 10 pounds of ceramic biomedia that I had in that system for a long time that I place in the sump in this set up (still there) to help, in conjunction with the live rock, jump start and digest the ammonia.

When I dark cured this tank I had significant bio die off that drove my ammonia to >2.5 for about 5 days, then it came straight down to .02-.03. I am using Hanna and there is a .05 +/- margin of error. To me .02 = 0 with that type of spread. Any tank I test with my tester, using that tester, is never zero (debating about getting a Seneye to prove this theory out, other testers read zero that I have used).

With all that said, I did have a 36 hour spike, or I think. My Hanna read .70 one day after adding 3 fish in 2 days. 18 hours later it was .30 then 24 hours later .02.

I can shift to water changes every 2 days if that would help.

Phosphates have been a struggle in this tank. My others are right inline at .04-.06. I am deploying all the same exact tactics but just haven't been successful yet.

The low O2 is very interesting. Air stone?

Those water will help and spike is likely
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