i broke a cfl bulb

[jorge0912]

i was recently cleaning my tank and i accidentally dropped my motor of my mp40 and fell into my cfl bulb,, i fear that some of the glass of it might have gone into my sump or when picked up my chords some of mighty have fallen into my sump as well anything i should fear or look out for ? i also did not clean the motor as it is the one that goes on the outside of the tank ... its just the the btoome and back of my tank is no covered is all exposed ...

imi good ??
i just ran out of carbon and also di resin so i am screwed if ii have to make a water change

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Get all the glass out you can , the phosphors mostly stick to that.
If you have a reactor you may want to run some gfo.

I busted a t5 tube into the tank once. No troubles. But I got most all of it out

 

[vetteguy53081]

Cleaning the area of glass will be key. Thereafter run carbon/gfo combo to purify

 

[jorge0912]

I’ll get some carbon today at petsmart i can use their brand as I have no local store I did ran a lot of filter flow and change there’s times last night ..

 

[KrisReef]

You might add a polyfilter into you system to bind trace metals.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

The gfo and poly filter are the same basic thing. Carbon will do less , if anything.

 

[Billdogg]

IMHO, you have done plenty already. I would be most concerned with cutting myself sometime down the road from a shard that I missed.

The gfo and poly filter are the same basic thing. Carbon will do less , if anything.

FWIW - GFO and polyfilter ARE NOT the same thing at all. GFO will remove phosphates from the water. Polyfilter is designed to remove most heavy metals and other contaminates. The GFO will do nothing in this case, the polyfilter might help to remove the phosphors contained on the glass of the bulb.

Carbon will help to remove many organic molecules as well as many medications from the water. That is why it is not recommended for use in a hospital tank where meds are in use.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

IMHO, you have done plenty already. I would be most concerned with cutting myself sometime down the road from a shard that I missed.




FWIW - GFO and polyfilter ARE NOT the same thing at all. GFO will remove phosphates from the water. Polyfilter is designed to remove most heavy metals and other contaminates. The GFO will do nothing in this case, the polyfilter might help to remove the phosphors contained on the glass of the bulb.

Carbon will help to remove many organic molecules as well as many medications from the water. That is why it is not recommended for use in a hospital tank where meds are in use.

Both are resins that attract specific ions.
Each are formulated to receive different things at diffent rates.
Just like a Britta filter does.

Not sure how you know that granular ferric oxide (iron rust) won’t pull out mercury but will pull out copper and other heavy metals plus a few organic and inorganic ions as well.

If you have some specific data Id love to know more. We could use it to help a lot more folks Incase of accidents like this.

 

[Billdogg]

I’d love to see the data on GFO being used for anything other than phosphate removal. Yours was the first post I’ve ever seen making the claim that it does.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I’d love to see the data on GFO being used for anything other than phosphate removal. Yours was the first post I’ve ever seen making the claim that it does.

I’d love to see the data on GFO being used for anything other than phosphate removal. Yours was the first post I’ve ever seen making the claim that it does.

It is known that GFO can also remove a number of transition metals (such as zinc, copper, manganese, etc.) but few experiments have been conducted on the removal (or addition) of metals, non-metals, and metalloids from/to seasoned artificial seawater. This article will examine the results of recent testing and discuss the implications for reef hobbyists.

In an attempt to consolidate information, data concerning phosphorus and silica removal as well as alkalinity are included, previously published here: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2011/6/review

 

[vetteguy53081]

I’d love to see the data on GFO being used for anything other than phosphate removal. Yours was the first post I’ve ever seen making the claim that it does.

Cobalt
Cobalt is found in natural seawater at parts per billion concentrations. Under the conditions of this procedure, cobalt (likely only free cobalt) is actively removed by GFO. See Figure 2.


Figure 2. Cobalt concentrations fell after GFO was introduced.

Copper (Free)
Copper in an aquarium is a double-edged sword. It is an essential trace element but is toxic at higher concentrations. Free and total copper were determined. See Figures 3 and 4.


Figure 3. Free copper removal by GFO. The Detection Limit of the test is 0.02 mg/L as Cu. The final reading (0.09 mg/L) is still above that usually seen in natural seawater.

Copper (Total)
Total copper is the sum of free and complexed copper.


Figure 4. Total copper fell due to removal of free copper by GFO.

Copper (Chelated or Complexed)
Copper, complexed with organic substances, can be determined by subtracting free copper from total copper. Figure 5 shows complexed copper is weakly removed, if at all, by GFO.


Figure 5. Chelated (complexed) copper is very weakly removed by GFO, if at all.

Iron
Since iron is a major component of GFO, and this substance is subject to weak grinding action within a fluidized reactor, it might be expected that the iron content of the aquarium water would increase, and indeed it did. Further analyses found the iron to be almost entirely in the ferric form, but perhaps more importantly, as mostly in the form of suspended particulates and not dissolved. See Figures 6 through 9.


Figure 6. Experiment #1 showed total iron initially rose and then fell.


Figure 7. Results of experiment #2 found total iron concentrations rose and fell very much like that seen in experiment #1.


Figure 8. Total iron minus ferrous iron equals ferric iron.


Figure 9. Very little of the total iron was soluble but instead found in the suspended form.

Manganese
Manganese is an essential element for plants and animals. Free manganese is actively removed by GFO, although the concentration of manganese in the spiked sample plateaued at ~0.07 mg/L at about 120 hours and thereafter. See Figure 10.


Figure 10. Manganese was actively removed by GFO. The analytical procedure can report Mn concentrations of 0.006-0.7 mg/L, while natural seawater contains ~0.001 to 0.01 mg/L.

Silica
GFO is advertised to effectively remove silica, and testing confirms this. Silica is quickly and effectively reduced in concentration, as its concentration fell to below the detection limit of the testing device (in essence 'zero'). See Figure 11.


Figure 11. Silica concentrations fell to below the detection limit of the instrument (essentially zero) inn less than 24 hours under the conditions of this experiment.

Zinc
Zinc (free and not complexed) is rapidly removed by GFO. At 104 hours, the concentration had fallen from ~6mg/L to 0.38 mg/L (a removal of ~94%). See Figure 12.


Figure 12. The Detection Limit of the analytical device is 0.02 mg/L as Zn.

pH
pH (the intensity of the basic or acidic natural of a substance) is known to be influenced through use of GFO. Figure 13 demonstrates this effect.


Figure 13. Use of GFO can cause rapid shifts in pH.

Phosphorus
As with many elements, phosphorus is essential for life but can cause problems - specifically that of enhanced algal growths - at relatively low concentrations. Hobbyists should be concerned with reactive or ortho-, phosphate as this is the form that fuels algae growth (this is the form most all 'test kits' report). On the other hand, total phosphorus is that bound with other substances and requires a specialized digestion process including heat and an acidic environment. See Figures 14 and 15.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Cobalt
Cobalt is found in natural seawater at parts per billion concentrations. Under the conditions of this procedure, cobalt (likely only free cobalt) is actively removed by GFO. See Figure 2.


Figure 2. Cobalt concentrations fell after GFO was introduced.

Copper (Free)
Copper in an aquarium is a double-edged sword. It is an essential trace element but is toxic at higher concentrations. Free and total copper were determined. See Figures 3 and 4.


Figure 3. Free copper removal by GFO. The Detection Limit of the test is 0.02 mg/L as Cu. The final reading (0.09 mg/L) is still above that usually seen in natural seawater.

Copper (Total)
Total copper is the sum of free and complexed copper.


Figure 4. Total copper fell due to removal of free copper by GFO.

Copper (Chelated or Complexed)
Copper, complexed with organic substances, can be determined by subtracting free copper from total copper. Figure 5 shows complexed copper is weakly removed, if at all, by GFO.


Figure 5. Chelated (complexed) copper is very weakly removed by GFO, if at all.

Iron
Since iron is a major component of GFO, and this substance is subject to weak grinding action within a fluidized reactor, it might be expected that the iron content of the aquarium water would increase, and indeed it did. Further analyses found the iron to be almost entirely in the ferric form, but perhaps more importantly, as mostly in the form of suspended particulates and not dissolved. See Figures 6 through 9.


Figure 6. Experiment #1 showed total iron initially rose and then fell.


Figure 7. Results of experiment #2 found total iron concentrations rose and fell very much like that seen in experiment #1.


Figure 8. Total iron minus ferrous iron equals ferric iron.


Figure 9. Very little of the total iron was soluble but instead found in the suspended form.

Manganese
Manganese is an essential element for plants and animals. Free manganese is actively removed by GFO, although the concentration of manganese in the spiked sample plateaued at ~0.07 mg/L at about 120 hours and thereafter. See Figure 10.


Figure 10. Manganese was actively removed by GFO. The analytical procedure can report Mn concentrations of 0.006-0.7 mg/L, while natural seawater contains ~0.001 to 0.01 mg/L.

Silica
GFO is advertised to effectively remove silica, and testing confirms this. Silica is quickly and effectively reduced in concentration, as its concentration fell to below the detection limit of the testing device (in essence 'zero'). See Figure 11.


Figure 11. Silica concentrations fell to below the detection limit of the instrument (essentially zero) inn less than 24 hours under the conditions of this experiment.

Zinc
Zinc (free and not complexed) is rapidly removed by GFO. At 104 hours, the concentration had fallen from ~6mg/L to 0.38 mg/L (a removal of ~94%). See Figure 12.


Figure 12. The Detection Limit of the analytical device is 0.02 mg/L as Zn.

pH
pH (the intensity of the basic or acidic natural of a substance) is known to be influenced through use of GFO. Figure 13 demonstrates this effect.


Figure 13. Use of GFO can cause rapid shifts in pH.

Phosphorus
As with many elements, phosphorus is essential for life but can cause problems - specifically that of enhanced algal growths - at relatively low concentrations. Hobbyists should be concerned with reactive or ortho-, phosphate as this is the form that fuels algae growth (this is the form most all 'test kits' report). On the other hand, total phosphorus is that bound with other substances and requires a specialized digestion process including heat and an acidic environment. See Figures 14 and 15.

 

[Billdogg]

Cobalt
Cobalt is found in natural seawater at parts per billion concentrations. Under the conditions of this procedure, cobalt (likely only free cobalt) is actively removed by GFO. See Figure 2.


Figure 2. Cobalt concentrations fell after GFO was introduced.

Copper (Free)
Copper in an aquarium is a double-edged sword. It is an essential trace element but is toxic at higher concentrations. Free and total copper were determined. See Figures 3 and 4.


Figure 3. Free copper removal by GFO. The Detection Limit of the test is 0.02 mg/L as Cu. The final reading (0.09 mg/L) is still above that usually seen in natural seawater.

Copper (Total)
Total copper is the sum of free and complexed copper.


Figure 4. Total copper fell due to removal of free copper by GFO.

Copper (Chelated or Complexed)
Copper, complexed with organic substances, can be determined by subtracting free copper from total copper. Figure 5 shows complexed copper is weakly removed, if at all, by GFO.


Figure 5. Chelated (complexed) copper is very weakly removed by GFO, if at all.

Iron
Since iron is a major component of GFO, and this substance is subject to weak grinding action within a fluidized reactor, it might be expected that the iron content of the aquarium water would increase, and indeed it did. Further analyses found the iron to be almost entirely in the ferric form, but perhaps more importantly, as mostly in the form of suspended particulates and not dissolved. See Figures 6 through 9.


Figure 6. Experiment #1 showed total iron initially rose and then fell.


Figure 7. Results of experiment #2 found total iron concentrations rose and fell very much like that seen in experiment #1.


Figure 8. Total iron minus ferrous iron equals ferric iron.


Figure 9. Very little of the total iron was soluble but instead found in the suspended form.

Manganese
Manganese is an essential element for plants and animals. Free manganese is actively removed by GFO, although the concentration of manganese in the spiked sample plateaued at ~0.07 mg/L at about 120 hours and thereafter. See Figure 10.


Figure 10. Manganese was actively removed by GFO. The analytical procedure can report Mn concentrations of 0.006-0.7 mg/L, while natural seawater contains ~0.001 to 0.01 mg/L.

Silica
GFO is advertised to effectively remove silica, and testing confirms this. Silica is quickly and effectively reduced in concentration, as its concentration fell to below the detection limit of the testing device (in essence 'zero'). See Figure 11.


Figure 11. Silica concentrations fell to below the detection limit of the instrument (essentially zero) inn less than 24 hours under the conditions of this experiment.

Zinc
Zinc (free and not complexed) is rapidly removed by GFO. At 104 hours, the concentration had fallen from ~6mg/L to 0.38 mg/L (a removal of ~94%). See Figure 12.


Figure 12. The Detection Limit of the analytical device is 0.02 mg/L as Zn.

pH
pH (the intensity of the basic or acidic natural of a substance) is known to be influenced through use of GFO. Figure 13 demonstrates this effect.


Figure 13. Use of GFO can cause rapid shifts in pH.

Phosphorus
As with many elements, phosphorus is essential for life but can cause problems - specifically that of enhanced algal growths - at relatively low concentrations. Hobbyists should be concerned with reactive or ortho-, phosphate as this is the form that fuels algae growth (this is the form most all 'test kits' report). On the other hand, total phosphorus is that bound with other substances and requires a specialized digestion process including heat and an acidic environment. See Figures 14 and 15.

Thanks very much for posting this information. I found it to be very helpful.

 

[vetteguy53081]

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