I feel stupid asking this question.....

[Squeaky McMurdo]

There’s plants that prefer and do better in shade and some that need full sun to thrive. Corals are the same way.

 

[Katrina71]

@saltyfilmfolks am I right, or wrong? If I'm wrong, explain please.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

@saltyfilmfolks am I right, or wrong? If I'm wrong, explain please.

You’re always right.
But on witch point?

http://answers.seneye.com/index.php...t_is_PAR_&_PUR_?/marine_coral_reef_PAR_levels

Light and sps and softies. There is no correlation I know of.
The photo synthetic coral found at the greatest depth in the least Light is an sps. A leptoseris.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

So how is gorgonin built?

I guess what I'm REALLY AFTER is what element can accelerate tissue growth?

For me, Wendy's Double Hamgurgers, BK triple Whoppers....grow my tissue. Lol

You’re asking basically how ligaments are made (or secreted by the enzymes in our bodies ) rather than calcium based bones and why this organism chose not to have bones.
Pretty simple. Lol.

 

[Amoo]

Simple Sugars

Sadly I'm kinda serious

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Simple Sugars

Sadly I'm kinda serious

You are correct.

Carbon.

 

[Amoo]

You are correct.

Carbon.

Some of this info is in my Nem Feeding Sticky in the Nem section. Not a complete answer to the question, but might help since it is an abridged explanation.

 

[Katrina71]

I mean the zoo basically allows the breakdown of nitrates into simple sugars for use by the soft Coral.

 

[ZoWhat]

You are correct.

Carbon.

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT QUESTION

My Alkalinity is like 7-8dKH in a 95% Zoa/Paly dominated tank. Am I better off DOSING carbonate to get my dKH to 10-11?

Core question:

Will 10-11dKH allow my zoa/palys to TAKE OFF growing like wildfire since an Abundance of alk/carboanate will be more available for tissue growth??





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[chipmunkofdoom2]

So how is gorgonin built?

I guess what I'm REALLY AFTER is what element can accelerate tissue growth?

For me, Wendy's Double Hamgurgers, BK triple Whoppers....grow my tissue. Lol

@Randy Holmes-Farley might have some insight to this.

For what it's worth, I don't think elevated elements spur soft coral growth as much as they do with hard corals. I noticed the most growth in my soft corals when I increased the feeding in my tank. I started broadcast feeding mysis and Reef Chili from BRS. For 2 years straight, I had almost no growth in my two Ricordea fl., but after starting to broadcast feed, both ricordea covered their respective rocks in about a month or two.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT QUESTION

My Alkalinity is like 7-8dKH in a 95% Zoa/Paly dominated tank. Am I better off DOSING carbonate to get my dKH to 10-11?

Core question:

Will 10-11dKH allow my zoa/palys to TAKE OFF growing like wildfire since an Abundance of alk/carboanate will be more available for tissue growth??





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If we also examine “anecdotal” evidence, most say zoas like “dirty water”.
Dirty water contains no3 Po4 , and often higher co2 (due to the rotting organics being eaten by bacteria) and other dissolved organics. Those organics contain proteins aminos vitimans and minerals. Most of those of course have carbon as part of the equations. (That’s why we eat food too). These are abosorbed by the zoa , also the zooox , the zoo ox then make sugars from these. The zoa also has a stomach to ingest all these nutrients as they Land on the animal.

So no, I don’t belive alkalinity will help really. (One user claimed alk of 6.5 for ricordia was best , that was Diesel fwiw)
Rather , good nutrition via spot feeding , the right amount of light , and nutrient rich water containing co2 and and easily accessible organic carbons (simple sugar as Amoo pointed out )

So it seems to me , common zoa wisdom and anecdotal evidence kinda meet up here.
Don’t chase ph, spot feed or have a lot of fish to poop, skip water changes to dirty the water and vitamin c (an organic carbon source )


I wonder if @joshporksandwic is around.

 

[ksanfranfan]

@ksanfranfan I just got that book 3 days ago! Any other books you recommend?

That's great, it's a good book imo. I haven't looked into any up to date published books in recent years. Although some of the equipment and methods are somewhat older but still used by many people, alot of the information is still invaluable.

Some other books that I really like are:

The conscientious marine aquarist- by Robert Fenner

The reef aquarist volumes 1-3 - by Charles Del beekeeping and Julian Sprung

Marine invertebrates - by Ron Shimek (I like this one for its size as a carry around book almost pocket guide)

Marine fishes- by Scott Micheal ( another good small pocket guide)

The marine aquarium handbook -by Martin Moe

I like " A practical guide to corals"also- by Edward Puterbaugh and Eric Borneman

Corals-by John Tullock

Coral Magazine has good info as well

I like Reef Hobbyist Magazine. They have quarterly publishings with some really good info. You can read any of their published material online too.


The new marine aquarium- by Michael Paletta

Scott Micheal has several other good books. I don't have all of his but have read several of them at book stores.

You can also look into Albert Theil and Robert Goldstein. I have books from both of them.
One book that I need to buy is Reef Invertebrates by Anthony Calfo and Robert Fenner. I borrowed from the library but never bought it.
Although some of the material is outdated in alot of these books I still reference them along with newer information in the hobby from other reliable sources.
Sorry to the OP as well. Don't mean to clutter this thread.

 

[ZoWhat]

So..... in my experience zoa/palys kinda slow to grow then in 1-2mos they take off covering a LR.

What in your best guess, causes this TAKE OFF in growth, seemingly out of no where?





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[Amoo]

So..... in my experience zoa/palys kinda slow to grow then in 1-2mos they take off covering a LR.

What in your best guess, causes this TAKE OFF in growth, seemingly out of no where?

I think this is common with most corals. A month or two to adjust to the parameters in your tank in it's little slice of your ocean, then from there they start doing their thing. The latest BRS tank video they talked about this with their experiment.

 

[Ron Reefman]

So..... in my experience zoa/palys kinda slow to grow then in 1-2mos they take off covering a LR.

What in your best guess, causes this TAKE OFF in growth, seemingly out of nowhere?
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We experience the same thing with plants in our yard (and you should see our yard... I mean tropical rainforest! ;Drowning) Most new plants in our yard, especially bigger plants, seem to hold their own for as much as a year or even two and then start to grow in what I assume is a more natural rate. But I can't say I've noticed this kind of growth rate change in my tanks.
You do realize that the population change is pretty much an exponential curve. You buy 1 polyp of a zoa. It reproduces and you have 2, then 4, then 8, then 16, then 32 and pretty soon you have a rock covered in that zoa. The bigger the colony or frag you start with, the faster it seems to grow. But it's not that the population is breeding or reproducing any faster, it's just that there is a bigger population that is reproducing which will basically double every cycle (more or less).

 

[Dom]

So how is gorgonin built?

I guess what I'm REALLY AFTER is what element can accelerate tissue growth?

For me, Wendy's Double Hamgurgers, BK triple Whoppers....grow my tissue. Lol

Let me guess... Jim isn't REALLY slim? hehe

 

[vetteguy53081]

I guess what I'm REALLY AFTER is what element can accelerate tissue growth?

For me, Wendy's Double Hamburgers, BK Triple Whoppers, McDs Double Quaterpounders......all grow my tissue. Lol

Stronium, Magnesium and Amino Acids are essentials for growth. In essence, all coral need the typical 50-60 major and minor elements as found in ocean for growth, color and sustainability. What blend of seasalt mix you use will help you to achieve the delivery of elements needed for successful husbandry.