I Hope This Is Not AEFW!!!

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I just found out that I have red bugs in my system. So i'm going to do the interceptor treatment as soon as the medication arrives. in the meantime, I have started the dipping of my corals and found this. Can someone identify this for me? I hope it's not AEFW!!!


 
Kinda hard to tell, it could be AEFW, a good way to tell if you have them is to look for bite marks on your acros. If you do have them you will see small circular bitemarks, generally on the underside of the acro. Do you have any pics of the stix u are most concerned with?
 
Kinda hard to tell, it could be AEFW, a good way to tell if you have them is to look for bite marks on your acros. If you do have them you will see small circular bitemarks, generally on the underside of the acro. Do you have any pics of the stix u are most concerned with?

well you see, right now I'm dealing with red bugs now. therefore I'm not sure if the red bug population is keeping the flat worm in check. in fact, I have not see any circular bitemarks or brown eggs.
 
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It's very hard to tell because I can't zoom in, can you zoom in closer and snap a couple photos. They do look like aefw...aefw are oval shaped flatworms that will fall off of an acro. You can not see the flatworms when they are on the acro, and will be surprised on how big they are when they fall off.

If you do some research you will see that almost always after eliminating redbugs aefw populations blow up...it isn't know if redbugs keep them in check, there is some other predator that the interceptor eliminates, or it's just a coincidence.

Did these fall off the same acro with redbugs? Interesting to see if the redbugs and aefw are on the same corals or different corals...then count the respective number of aefw on corals with redbugs compared to corals without.
 
After going through the AEFW battle myself they certainly look like it. I hope I'm wrong for your sake.

What did you dip them in?
 
After going through the AEFW battle myself they certainly look like it. I hope I'm wrong for your sake.

What did you dip them in?


I dipped them in coralrx. I also have Revive in my disposal. I guess I should also get Bayer
 
I used revive to eradicate mine, when I fought the battle. I took every coral (I only have acros) and dipped them once every 5 days for 7 weeks.... It sucked. But I did get rid of them.
 
first of all, i was told by someone that the red bugs could be keeping the AEFW (if present in my tank) population under control.

2nd, as of right now, some corals (~4 or 5 frags) are wasting away slowly or barely hanging on. hard to tell whether due to red bugs or other pests or other reasons

3rd, since i have not seem an "explosion" of these flatworms, i have not noticed any brown eggs that are usually associated with the AEFW or the circular bite marks.

I guess i can start dipping the corals and possibly some smaller rocks in Revive/Bayer
 
Don't dip your rocks in bayers, just dip the infected corals. Dip them every five days, and make sure you rinse them really good, I use three rinse buckets. My last bucket always had about five to size drops of Lugols. I use the gallon painters buckets and usually do each dip in and rinse in about 2 quarts of water.

You can go all out and dip every coral, but is start with the ones that are not doing well to get the hang of it.
 
Does look like aefw to me too. Try turning off your tank flow and turkey baste the acros to see if any fly off.
 
first of all, i was told by someone that the red bugs could be keeping the AEFW (if present in my tank) population under control.

2nd, as of right now, some corals (~4 or 5 frags) are wasting away slowly or barely hanging on. hard to tell whether due to red bugs or other pests or other reasons

3rd, since i have not seem an "explosion" of these flatworms, i have not noticed any brown eggs that are usually associated with the AEFW or the circular bite marks.

I guess i can start dipping the corals and possibly some smaller rocks in Revive/Bayer

The eggs can be terribly hard to see, and are really small. They aren't always at the base of the coral, sometimes they are in the rock or on the underside of a frag plug.
 
I'm sorry to say but that is AEFW, I've had them not long ago and had to go through a huge quarantine process where i lost a few acros and still recovering from the transfers... sucks but i hope you can get that under control and rather quickly.
Strongly recommend a QT tank and remove all acros for a min of 6 weeks. dip the removed acros weekly to eradicate any hatching eggs.

After going through AEFW, FW and other unwanted algae like lobophora, i have now dedicated a small 20g long frag tank illuminated by a older radeon... the corals go through this tank first for the first 3 weeks to see what comes off the frags...

If you dont have and dont want to run a QT tank i suggest find a trusted friend with one or take a chance by cutting the frags off the plugs and dipping prior adding to DT.

FW will fall off the frag if present, however the flatworms lay eggs on the base of the plug and sometimes under the encrusted acro and frag plug, so its best to cut and elimiate that part even though the encrusting tooks good

Also keeping a banana wrasse might keep the FW popuation at bay to a certain extent.

good luck
 
2nd, as of right now, some corals (~4 or 5 frags) are wasting away slowly or barely hanging on. hard to tell whether due to red bugs or other pests or other reasons

I have dealt with both and never lost any coral due to redbugs. Redbugs ime inhibit polyp extension and cause the corals to loose color. I guess if it was a bad enough outbreak the redbugs could stress the coral to the point of necrosis, but odds are its the AEFW killing your acros.

As for the correlation between redbugs and flatworms, I don't think anything has been proven but I do know the 1st time I dealt with a major AEFW infestation it was shortly after doing a double dose of interceptor to kill redbugs.

Also as stated above do not dip your rocks in Bayer, it will b extremely difficult to get it all out b4 putting the **** back in the tank.
 
so, i would like to ask or confirm the effects of bayer on fish/nems. my tank so far has only 4 nems, 4 fish (2 clowns, 1 lawnmower blenny, 1 6-line wrasse), and pods here and there. what would happen to them should i dip the rocks bayer solution? of course, i plan on rinse the rocks/frags after the bayer-dip. just want to plan for the worst case scenario.
 
AEFW............ many good points to attack and battle these pesty worms already mentioned.
IMO a frag tank is your best battle and let the DT go fallow without SPS.
Any other coral should be fine.
Get some Leopard wrasses, yellow corris, melanurus all do the job by picking them of your rocks.
Without SPS they won't spread as you take the food source away in your DT.
and yes, 6 to 10 weeks dip every 5 days.
After your corals are cured, from now on QT your new addition corals same as hobbyist do with fish.
Good luck and keep us updated.
 
so, i would like to ask or confirm the effects of bayer on fish/nems. my tank so far has only 4 nems, 4 fish (2 clowns, 1 lawnmower blenny, 1 6-line wrasse), and pods here and there. what would happen to them should i dip the rocks bayer solution? of course, i plan on rinse the rocks/frags after the bayer-dip. just want to plan for the worst case scenario.

The above method is a a very poor plan of attack for AEFW... you will start a new cycle every time you dip the rocks and will have to deal with die off and on top of it, you will not kill the AEFW eggs...
There is no dip which works against the eggs, so meanwhile you might kill the traveling FW, you will not kill the eggs meaning multiple rock dippings will be needed creating die off and ammonia spikes which will affect your tank inhabitants.

The only proven method to eradicate AEFW is to remove all acros from the system for a minimum of 5 weeks and starve them in the DT(I suggest 5-8 weeks free of acros)... I am not sure how many acros you currently have, however I used a 20g long tank which was 20$ + a aquaclear, Ecotech and heater which I had sitting around and removed some rubble from my main tank and stuffed in the aquaclear along with some filter floss... My tank is a 120g with a 36g sump and I had quite the SPS collection. As long as your DT doesn't have any acros for the 5 week period, the cycle breaks and the worms will die without any source of food.

Setup a 20g QT tank and do a 20g water-change in the QT tank(make sure the hose is suspended in the column to avoid sucking any fw, although it doesn't matter if you do as we expect the coral to have AEFW and eggs)
Now, you need to dip/treat the removed coral every 5 days to a week as typically the eggs will be on the base of coral and often enough under the skin of the coral... by weekly dipping the coral you will eradicate the FW before they reach sexual maturity and wont reproduce and you will notice less and less in your dip water - I suggest using Coral RX or Revive to kill the AEFW or bayer solution

You will need a separate light to keep the corals happy and you might get some color loss due to tank switch. If you don't have a extra light I suggest borrowing one or just plain out purchasing something cheap and used (I use a Radion 1st gen with lens for this purpose and i like it as it doesn't create much heat - my qt tank is besides my sump in the stand)

I know setting up a QT is a drag and added cost to the hobby, but you need to ask yourself a few questions, how much do you have invested in coral+fish? are you ready to lose all and start fresh? or would you rather drop 100-200$, setup a QT tank and treat the problem along with ability to treat any other incoming frags... and fish for that matter. I hated the idea of starting a QT tank, but trust me, you cant put a price on a QT tank as it will be the best investment you can possibly make, the last thing you will want is to add a sick coral/fish to a established tank and get a complete wipe out or deal with pests on colonies...

Any other new frags/corals go in the QT acclimation/observation and any new fish go in the QT for acclimation/observation/feedings and after the treatment/observation/acclimation period you know any additions to the DT is pest free and healthy. In this QT i suggest getting a ammonia stick on meter and doing a minimum of 2gal water change a week; I suggest 5g weekly water changes and that way you will replenish most nutrients, although you will need to monitor the ALK/Ca levels in this tank.

Another method which I believe will work long term is to keep dipping all acros every 5 days for 10 weeks+ with the hopes to eventually kill every single living fw before it reaches sexual maturity. Melev did this for his tank and seemed to work, here is a very detailed blog of his encounters.


I've setup my 120 in December of last year and ever since I've had this tank I've treated acropora eating flatworks, flat worms, monti eating nudibrances and zoa eating nudibranches... some of the frags came from reputable stores and some came from members on our local forum and claim they never knew they had pests.

Also what I've noticed is that some reefers will dip the coral before selling, and that way they ensure there is no visible pests on their stuff, however that doesn't kill the eggs. Then you get home with the frag and dip it without any pests showing up, so the frag goes in the DT... Then if you're lucky, in three weeks later you will be find AEFW (usually takes 3-5 weeks as they need to reach their sexual prime

Last point is to get some fish which hunt these pests down, like a melanrus wrasse, choris/banana wrasse and pipe fish. These guys will not eradicate the FW's but will keep them to a minimum if you happen to contact them again. Six line will get very aggressive so you might want to reconsider that fish.

Moral of the story is to ALWAYS, ALWAYS QT any coral/fish for a minimum of 3 weeks.
 

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