I Received a NEW Trident NP Nitrate & Phosphate Tester!!!!

[AustinJT]

So the take away here is that the waste generated by the np is acidic and can cause issues when sitting in a sink or drain.

If you have an older house with metal drain pipes, you'll probably want to steer clear of draining directly into a drain. Modern houses use abs for drains and can handle the acidity.

But another big concern would be the chrome/brass drains at the bottom of sinks, they will definitely get damaged by acid.

There's other concerns as well, what would the acidic waste do when it interacts with the scum inside the drain? What sort of harmful fumes could it produce?

The bottom line is that most hobbyists are ignorant to certain chemical reactions, and it's better for a company to hedge their bets and err on the side of caution to avoid any liability.

If you decide to go directly down the drain, just understand the risks.

My entire house is Plastic. So I can just drain it directly then?

I even tear-down my wood walls now fully PVC Walls. Experiences from contaminated my whole house with Rusty Moisture. Even my expensive set of Japan-made Knife that is hanging way on the roof top for BBQ night still get rusted.

 

[Jamie814]

My entire house is Plastic. So I can just drain it directly then?

If your drains and traps are ABS or PVC your "probably" ok directly down the drain. I would still flush with water or run your RO/DI waste down the same drain if nothing else dumps into it.

 

[areefer01]

Follow their directions. That is why they took the time to create them.

 

[AustinJT]

If your drains and traps are ABS or PVC your "probably" ok directly down the drain. I would still flush with water or run your RO/DI waste down the same drain if nothing else dumps into it.

The drain is basically a PVC pipe, specifically placed there for the tank. For water-change release as well as direct skimmer drain and Trident is also connected directly with it as well.

I can open a valve on main tank and it will drain directly to bottom of the tank. However, as for running, only Skimmer water would go through it. Water Change is only once a month. Beside that, no other water running through it except the old Trident's waste twice a day.

There is a bit of uneven level when placing pvc, therefore, I suspect some water constantly trap in PVC and until skimmer fill it to a certain point. Because sometime, skimmer water got stuck and won't drain, so I suspect due to air trap that cause by uneven floor.

If it's acid, then it should be fine, I think. Because I constantly use acid in my PVC Floor to remove scums & others. Unless NP's waste is stronger than Actual Acid?

Once, I didn't use just Pipe Acid. I used real Acid, as in destroy-your-face kind of acid due to a very bad clog that none of pipe products works and I've tried a dozen of brands. Out of wit, I decide to use real acid and it's working.

 

[AustinJT]

Follow their directions. That is why they took the time to create them.

Oh man, if I only I read something about it, I wouldn't get it.

I've would have gone with Reef Factory instead due to it being cheaper & reagent lasted 6 months with just $50. The only issue is... one Tester, can only works with 1 element. And every farm I know, recommended Reef Factory instead of Trident.

But since I have a full set of Neptune, I figured why not get NP as well, it's also because I want to use it feature to control NO3PO4-x doser.

Now that I did some reading, I'm kinda bump. Many people stay results are way off. And now with the acid things... I can't afford an empty bottle anywhere. Because of a the built in drain, so I maximized my entire space, think that with Drain in place, I can just connect it to whatever I want.

And it's also that I suspect they would build another Trident for NP, so I did carve out a space for another Trident. That's why the urge to get Trident over Reef Factory despite everyone I know recommend me to use Reef Factory.

This is DIY system and I am a carpenter (Hobby-only). So I did everything down to last detail with zero inches left for any extra space in the sump. When I made my system, I order everything and make space for everything bit by bit with only enough gap for ants to go through.

There is a bit of gap in Electric Box, to which I could use a bottle there but if it's melting in there, it's going to destroy all the cables. Gap in electric box is mean for empty air space for circulation. A bottle in there, could causing to overheat as well due to lack of space for air circulation.

 

[slythy]

@AustinJT If you are super tight on space look at the Mini Trident kit. I put both my tridents in them and they take up half the space of the regular trident, much easier to clean and change reagents.

 

[Peair]

So Apparently I am one of the lucky few to randomly get selected as a "thank you" for being a loyal customer!!
I literally have NO other information other than that. I received an E-Mail from their Marketing Specialist Kyle Thomas, and confirmed with Sales Manager Tom Dachille.

I cant hook up the unit until the new firmware is released on May 30th, So expect an update to this thread then.
I must say this unit is GORGEOUS! the finish compliments the new style and color Neptune is using. The Trident NP does not have the soft rubber finish however.
The unit looks exactly the same in all other aspects. There are a few slight difference that I did notice under the hood so far

-Reagent screw tops are labeled as 1, 2, 3 - this is so you dont mix up the trident reagent with the trident NP reagents
-The reagents and tube labels are also a different colors - Purple, Orange, and Grey
-Tops screw cap feed tubes are plastic instead of metal
-There is a Reagent 3b which must be mixed with reagent 3 before the unit can use it
-The front top plate comes off and there seems to be a cylinder to measure a level of fluid - possibly a reagent or water test sample level?

Please let me know if you have any additional questions! I will try my best to answer.

All pictures below.

Hi, I am curious to know how is your New Trident NP Nitrate & Phosphate Tester working out now?

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[AustinJT]

@AustinJT If you are super tight on space look at the Mini Trident kit. I put both my tridents in them and they take up half the space of the regular trident, much easier to clean and change reagents

Ah... I don't need that.

You're missing the point. It's not that I don't have space. I "Maximized" my space.

I already have built in slot for 2 Trident, it designed specifically for shape of Trident. And also specific slot space for 4pcs of DOS to be used with 2 Trident. I have this OCD-like mental condition, everything have to be Jigsaw Perfect. Like Lego Perfect.

I just don't have space for Waste bottles because I didn't think I would be needing them.

danged...

But waste bottle alone, I could tinkering with space.... if I think hard enough.

However... I only started to looking at review & instruction after I got my NP... and it says "Result are not Reliable"?????

Everyone said it was bad...... as in Real Bad. I couldn't find a positive review at all. Aside from BulkReef (obviously sponsored), most Reefers I watch in Youtube are either outright asking you not to buy or they are hinting it's not worth the money.

So if I am tinkering space for it... and it's not even reliable results, then what's it all for?

Also... anyone know if this can be reprogram like Trident? I got mine to do 2 test per day instead of 4.

Since NP is running 2 test per day... I maybe I can use "Week Day" Program to make it run only on specific day? Maybe every 4 days to once a week? Would Reagents sitting still longer than 2 month cause any issue?

I think $80 bucks a month for NP + normal Trident reagent is quite unacceptable to me.

Where I live is far... + tax + shipping... 2 months kits cause $80 + $5 tip to delivery man. Luckily, the 2 month kit of Trident can push to 4 months, so that's saving a bit.

 

[areefer01]

Also... anyone know if this can be reprogram like Trident? I got mine to do 2 test per day instead of 4.

The NP test 1 time per day currently. The hobbyist sets the time.

I think $80 bucks a month for NP + normal Trident reagent is quite unacceptable to me.

Where I live is far... + tax + shipping... 2 months kits cause $80 + $5 tip to delivery man. Luckily, the 2 month kit of Trident can push to 4 months, so that's saving a bit.

Currently the Neptune reagents are sold as single unit similar to the original Trident's launch. It wasn't until later in the release cycle did they offer 6 month kits. I speculate that this will be no different. Neptune needs time to assess the installation base, reagent results, hobbyist test frequency (standard schedule vs standard schedule + manual), and so forth. My guess is that we will see larger kits reducing the price later.

Honesty in reefing if the reagent cost + initial investment seems unacceptable then it isn't for you. Automated testing is a luxury and quality of life improvement, not a necessity as you know. Hanna's eggs for Nitrate and Phosphate are simple to use and when testing both the hobbyist will be done in less than 10 minutes. Nitrate is 7 minute count down, phosphate 3 minute count down, and both 2 minutes to shake and bake. If anyone wants to test less than daily no reason to automate in my opinion.

Edit: when I say honesty in reefing, not for you - it is generally speaking and not specifically you.

 

[AustinJT]

The NP test 1 time per day currently. The hobbyist sets the time.



Currently the Neptune reagents are sold as single unit similar to the original Trident's launch. It wasn't until later in the release cycle did they offer 6 month kits. I speculate that this will be no different. Neptune needs time to assess the installation base, reagent results, hobbyist test frequency (standard schedule vs standard schedule + manual), and so forth. My guess is that we will see larger kits reducing the price later.

Honesty in reefing if the reagent cost + initial investment seems unacceptable then it isn't for you. Automated testing is a luxury and quality of life improvement, not a necessity as you know. Hanna's eggs for Nitrate and Phosphate are simple to use and when testing both the hobbyist will be done in less than 10 minutes. Nitrate is 7 minute count down, phosphate 3 minute count down, and both 2 minutes to shake and bake. If anyone wants to test less than daily no reason to automate in my opinion.

Edit: when I say honesty in reefing, not for you - it is generally speaking and not specifically you.

Ah... expense is not the issue otherwise I wouldn't run a 4,000L Tank with exotic corals & collector fishes.

My tank & its accessories alone, cost more than half of most people house. Electric Bill is $750+ on 5HP AC alone + food, water change, addictive, that's another $300 more or less. So that's $1,000 on low end, that's more than some people's mortgage already. On summer lone, Electric easily spike to $1,000 just for AC alone.

The Issue is the unnecessary expense. While I enjoy luxury lifestyle, I do not enjoy spending money like an idiot. If there is anyway to save it, I will. If not for anything else, at least for ease of mind cause I wouldn't be feeling like a fool.

I'm the kind of people that will pay $10,000 for an App/Software that I use but I won't pay $12 for any TV Subscriptions cause I can get everything through my Lifetime VIP membership that cost just $199, for a lifetime but pay just once! With the ***** Disney keep push out, they don't deserve my money.

We're Asians... I'm Chinese. In my country, people respect you for being rich but if you don't know how to save, they treat you like a little lost stray puppy. The term "Crazy Rich Asian" while it sounds good to people in the west because they worship wealth... In Asia is different... it literally mean what it says "CRAZY". They think you're "CRAZY", if you're spending like a broken dam, no matter how rich you are.

If you're millionaire but wearing $12 Casio Watch, they will think you're smart. If you wearing a $1.2M watch like Richard Mille, they will think you're an idiot who don't know how to spend money.

A friend of mine got married last year, they both belong to extremely wealthy family, their entire wedding hall decorate by Real Floral that cost over $1.5 million USD for entire Building. According to some news report, they spend roughly 35 Millions on their entire wedding due to their connection to Politicians & Other Elites, so wedding is almost, royalty-like. But how much they spend, I never asked but I did know the Bride's gown is 12 million, made from Italy. Their wedding was indeed, a bit insane, even for me... but it's their money... however... you should see Social Media... 98% of my Country put them on a Blast for being "Wasteful" like spending $1.5M on a flowers that would rot away in 3 days. Every sentence, curse words send to them are center around 3 words "Idiot, Fool & Crazy". Nobody is blessing them, everyone is shaming them. And I'm trying to avoid that "Crazy Rich People" term because I'm neither that rich or crazy.

For example, whenever my relative visiting... they will say how nice my tank is... They love it, they get lost in it. My elders could sit with a beer watching my tank all day long, but when they heard about the price, they looked at me like I got hit in the head by something. They think I'm an Absolute Idiot for spending so much on a Fish Tank.

I used to have a planted tank. When I told them about my pure breed of crystal bee from Taiwan that cost $350 per 1pcs at size of a rice grand, my uncle turned to my Dad and said "You need to get him a brains scan, something is seriously wrong with him".

So... that's my life.

I do have Hanna Checkers, I never used it much because I got used to using Test Kits instead & it's faster than Hanna and I'm often spilled Hanna's power when try to pour it into vial. However, I'm also too busy to keep up with manual testing. Hence, the need to get these auto-tester.

I also got a ReefLab or was it RoboLab? From Reef Kenetic, I think. That cost me $2000 (Tax & Ship). Thinking it was a All-in-one Test. Only to find out it's a Robot. Didn't even bother to open it from the box. It's still new in the box. It's the newest version, I got it around $1200 + delivery + massive tax due to it have needles came with it, so it got registered as Medical Product and since i don't have a medical license, I have to pay a hefty fine to clear it out from custom office.

Testing once a day is quite unnecessary as I've been keeping reef over 12yrs and before all these fancy ***** came out, I tested like twice a year. I only test closely during start up, after I found my range, I just keep a tight schedule and never bother to test anything unless something is off or I'm really free...

I do recommend Feeding Corals & Amino Acid, works insanely, if you can keep Nitrate & PO4 under control and it built almost a True Ecosystem like that I could get away without testing for year at a time. Any algae increase, I just manually dose Ethyl Alcohol 3ml per 100L until it goes away.

Same with Trident... I made it test twice per day but only every 3 days, The combi in the morning and KH once more in evening after light is off. And I was able to find the range that Trident control DOS to work flawlessly with my Octopus Commercial Calcium Reactor CR350. I found a trick in YT about controlling CO2 Solenoid to control Calcium Reactor and it is wonderful. So my DOS were set to a range where it would balancing out with Calcium Reactor at range of 380-390 while working correspondingly with Trident Test.

So testing everyday is Unnecessary. It's not about the money, it's about how you spend it. I don't know how to explain it, so let's just say it's a Culture thing. Or rather it's in my blood and I have the urge to save.

Like the Comedian Jimmy Wu said... we're Chinese won't take pride on spending too much money, we take pride on how much we can save. He said whenever his mom got something new, she would rush to him and say "Guess how much?"... That's also my mom too, they're all the same. We're are all the same.

 

[areefer01]

Ah... expense is not the issue otherwise I wouldn't run a 4,000L Tank with exotic corals & collector fishes.

My tank & its accessories alone, cost more than half of most people house. Electric Bill is $750+ on 5HP AC alone + food, water change, addictive, that's another $300 more or less. So that's $1,000 on low end, that's more than some people's mortgage already. On summer lone, Electric easily spike to $1,000 just for AC alone.

The Issue is the unnecessary expense. While I enjoy luxury lifestyle, I do not enjoy spending money like an idiot. If there is anyway to save it, I will. If not for anything else, at least for ease of mind cause I wouldn't be feeling like a fool.

I'm the kind of people that will pay $10,000 for an App/Software that I use but I won't pay $12 for any TV Subscriptions cause I can get everything through my Lifetime VIP membership that cost just $199, for a lifetime but pay just once! With the ***** Disney keep push out, they don't deserve my money.

We're Asians... I'm Chinese. In my country, people respect you for being rich but if you don't know how to save, they treat you like a little lost stray puppy. The term "Crazy Rich Asian" while it sounds good to people in the west because they worship wealth... In Asia is different... it literally mean what it says "CRAZY". They think you're "CRAZY", if you're spending like a broken dam, no matter how rich you are.

If you're millionaire but wearing $12 Casio Watch, they will think you're smart. If you wearing a $1.2M watch like Richard Mille, they will think you're an idiot who don't know how to spend money.

A friend of mine got married last year, they both belong to extremely wealthy family, their entire wedding hall decorate by Real Floral that cost over $1.5 million USD for entire Building. According to some news report, they spend roughly 35 Millions on their entire wedding due to their connection to Politicians & Other Elites, so wedding is almost, royalty-like. But how much they spend, I never asked but I did know the Bride's gown is 12 million, made from Italy. Their wedding was indeed, a bit insane, even for me... but it's their money... however... you should see Social Media... 98% of my Country put them on a Blast for being "Wasteful" like spending $1.5M on a flowers that would rot away in 3 days. Every sentence, curse words send to them are center around 3 words "Idiot, Fool & Crazy". Nobody is blessing them, everyone is shaming them. And I'm trying to avoid that "Crazy Rich People" term because I'm neither that rich or crazy.

For example, whenever my relative visiting... they will say how nice my tank is... They love it, they get lost in it. My elders could sit with a beer watching my tank all day long, but when they heard about the price, they looked at me like I got hit in the head by something. They think I'm an Absolute Idiot for spending so much on a Fish Tank.

I used to have a planted tank. When I told them about my pure breed of crystal bee from Taiwan that cost $350 per 1pcs at size of a rice grand, my uncle turned to my Dad and said "You need to get him a brains scan, something is seriously wrong with him".

So... that's my life.

I do have Hanna Checkers, I never used it much because I got used to using Test Kits instead & it's faster than Hanna and I'm often spilled Hanna's power when try to pour it into vial. However, I'm also too busy to keep up with manual testing. Hence, the need to get these auto-tester.

I also got a ReefLab or was it RoboLab? From Reef Kenetic, I think. That cost me $2000 (Tax & Ship). Thinking it was a All-in-one Test. Only to find out it's a Robot. Didn't even bother to open it from the box. It's still new in the box. It's the newest version, I got it around $1200 + delivery + massive tax due to it have needles came with it, so it got registered as Medical Product and since i don't have a medical license, I have to pay a hefty fine to clear it out from custom office.

Testing once a day is quite unnecessary as I've been keeping reef over 12yrs and before all these fancy ***** came out, I tested like twice a year. I only test closely during start up, after I found my range, I just keep a tight schedule and never bother to test anything unless something is off or I'm really free...

I do recommend Feeding Corals & Amino Acid, works insanely, if you can keep Nitrate & PO4 under control and it built almost a True Ecosystem like that I could get away without testing for year at a time. Any algae increase, I just manually dose Ethyl Alcohol 3ml per 100L until it goes away.

Same with Trident... I made it test twice per day but only every 3 days, The combi in the morning and KH once more in evening after light is off. And I was able to find the range that Trident control DOS to work flawlessly with my Octopus Commercial Calcium Reactor CR350. I found a trick in YT about controlling CO2 Solenoid to control Calcium Reactor and it is wonderful. So my DOS were set to a range where it would balancing out with Calcium Reactor at range of 380-390 while working correspondingly with Trident Test.

So testing everyday is Unnecessary. It's not about the money, it's about how you spend it. I don't know how to explain it, so let's just say it's a Culture thing. Or rather it's in my blood and I have the urge to save.

Like the Comedian Jimmy Wu said... we're Chinese won't take pride on spending too much money, we take pride on how much we can save. He said whenever his mom got something new, she would rush to him and say "Guess how much?"... That's also my mom too, they're all the same. We're are all the same.

There was no budget shaming on my part. If you took my post that way my apologies. I was only commenting on the Trident NP's schedule of 1 time per day and reagent cost today compared to the original Trident's reagent pricing history. I did make the comment about it maybe not being for anyone who wants to reduce the testing further as it is already at 1 time per day. My guess is the reagent composition and internal plumbing but it is just my take on it.

Hope your day is well.

 

[AustinJT]

There was no budget shaming on my part. If you took my post that way my apologies. I was only commenting on the Trident NP's schedule of 1 time per day and reagent cost today compared to the original Trident's reagent pricing history. I did make the comment about it maybe not being for anyone who wants to reduce the testing further as it is already at 1 time per day. My guess is the reagent composition and internal plumbing but it is just my take on it.

Hope your day is well.

I know what you mean and this isn't about that. So don't worry about it.

I'm only explaining to you about my situation.

For example, most of my stuff is DIY but it's not on cheap side, it actually cost more, a lot more... but my DIY is always based on "Efficiency". Like Roller Filter, I bought BM, Red Sea and another one I can't remember from USA, something ClarifSea? Or Cleare?

I tear them down to look inside & see what I can copy it... and made my own Roller to suitable run 45,000L turned over and I've made many models, ran many trials. Order many cloth type from Factory in China. All was an attempt to get a perfect roller for my tank and finally I got it. And total is probably cost more than somebody's entire sump. Roughly $3,000. Give or take, each one cost about $350-$400 with Acrylic & CNC and I've made quite a few models because after using first protype, I notice some error and I've made another one and another, took me 4-5 tries before I made my perfect one. But for me, that's not a waste because it was something I genuinely want to invest.

The point is... I won't hesitate what I need to spend but I won't spend on anything I deem unnecessary like testing once a day is unnecessary. For Nitrate & PO4, once a week is more than enough.

 

[reef-rc]

Replacement Trident NP Update

Just wanted to update everyone on this. It's been almost a month with the replacement Trident NP, and the PO4 results are still inaccurate, just like the first one . Below is a screenshot from today, with Hanna Checker readings (NO3 - 5.x, PO4 - 0.06). It's frustrating to say the least, and I'm really hoping not to spend more time on this than I have to. For now, I'm using these readings as a rough guide, but still doing manual tests before making any decisions like dosing, just to get reliable PO4 numbers. NO3 has been pretty dependable, with some margin of error.

Curious if anyone else is having better luck. I'll be reaching out to Neptune again, and I won't post more updates unless the PO4 issue gets fixed.

 

[slythy]

I have heard they are coming out with a way to calibrate to tank water within a month or so. That might help massively because I am unsure what they actually calibrate to with a max reading of 2.0 which most of us are trying to be under 0.10

 

[areefer01]

I have heard they are coming out with a way to calibrate to tank water within a month or so.

Source?

 

[David_CO]

Well it’s been over 2 months since my initial reagent swap when the mess started. My second trident hasn’t measured even remotely close for nitrate or phosphate. I’ve had a ticket open for 3 weeks but they haven’t replied for over 2 weeks now despite my requests for feedback and next steps. The second set of reagents were used up so I’ve shut down my NP, not wasting any more money on this thing at this point. If I didn’t buy it from my lfs I would have 100% disputed through my credit card by now. Generally Neptune is decent at communicating in tickets, I believe they are absolutely inundated with support requests right now.