I was phosphate limited

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This coming January will be the one year mark for my little Nuvo 20. I've had some ups and downs with SPS, learning more and more as time has passed by. Without much effort on my part, my tank settled in as ULNS mostly on it's own. I stopped using the cheato reactor by month 3 or 4 as nutrients were totally bottomed out, and the cheato was dying anyway. At the point I removed the reactor, my N03 leveled off at 2-5ppm (Red Sea) and P04 was 0.08-0.12ppm (Hanna).

A few months ago I decided to start planning on another nano tank. My Nuvo was built to be SPS dominant, but somewhere along the way I acquired a bunch of Acans and Favias. My goal would be to put the Acans and Favias in a separate tank, and maybe try different salts or equipment or supplements as an experiment. In preparation I added a dozen 1 inch MarinePure spheres into the Nuvo, which would then move into the new tank. Well, this idea never really took off and the MarinePure spheres have been sitting in the back of the Nuvo. As a result, my N03 bottomed out while P04 was still sitting at 0.06-0.10ppm. I had noticed some of the corals not looking as crisp and colorful, so I started feeding heavier. I have only 3 fish in the Nuvo, and my schedule is such that I can't always feed multiple times a day. So I started dosing N03. Color improved, and P04 dropped to 0.05-0.10ppm regularly.

I've been running the tank this way for a while, and recently I lost 3 SPS which were acquired from our local swap meet in October. Disappointing to me because I lost a Strawberry Shortcake, Pink Lemonade, and a Hawkins. These corals STN'd over the course of a couple days, a few weeks apart from each other. When they did, they STN'd from base up, not tips in. After reading some posts, I concluded I was likely phosphate limited and the corals were starving.

This past Sunday (water test day) all parameters were stable and in my sweet spot, except P04. This time it tested 0.03ppm. I had increased the amount of N03 I was dosing by 1ml and this related to another decline in P04. To prevent any additional losses, I dosed P04 and brought it to 0.11ppm. I travel a lot for work, so my tank was on autopilot from Monday to Thursday. When I got home I checked in on the tank and noticed most of my color had returned. I also noticed a few pieces of SPS that did not have much color at all are now showing some flouresence when the deep blues are on, giving me positive signs of zooxanthelle. I test my Alk twice a week regularly so I broke out the Hanna test kit. To my surprise, my tank was sitting at 6.5 DKH, where on Sunday it was 7.4 DKH.

So what did I learn? My tank has been phosphate limited for some time, that I need to adapt and possibly dose P04 if my schedule will prevent me from feeding heavier and increasing nutrients, and I experienced first hand the direct relationship of N03 to P04 to Alk consumption. Running an SPS tank in 14 gallons total water volume, you have to be on your game. Tomorrow is test day, so very interested to see the impact on CA and MG.

If you stuck with this post to the end, thanks all for reading. R2R is a great community and I appreciate all the posts and learnings I have drawn from everyone else along the way!
 
Great post thanks for sharing. Fits my experiences exactly. Ceramic media knocks down nitrates faster than PO4. Dosing nitrates lowers PO4. Being without one or the other is trouble. Having both dialed in increases consumption of ALK & Ca.

I find that ALK consumption is much higher than Ca, but I equal dose anyway. Doing so makes my Ca kinda high, but nobody seems to mind. As long as it is not precipitating out on pumps, heaters etc which I have not seen even around 490.
 
This coming January will be the one year mark for my little Nuvo 20. I've had some ups and downs with SPS, learning more and more as time has passed by. Without much effort on my part, my tank settled in as ULNS mostly on it's own. I stopped using the cheato reactor by month 3 or 4 as nutrients were totally bottomed out, and the cheato was dying anyway. At the point I removed the reactor, my N03 leveled off at 2-5ppm (Red Sea) and P04 was 0.08-0.12ppm (Hanna).

A few months ago I decided to start planning on another nano tank. My Nuvo was built to be SPS dominant, but somewhere along the way I acquired a bunch of Acans and Favias. My goal would be to put the Acans and Favias in a separate tank, and maybe try different salts or equipment or supplements as an experiment. In preparation I added a dozen 1 inch MarinePure spheres into the Nuvo, which would then move into the new tank. Well, this idea never really took off and the MarinePure spheres have been sitting in the back of the Nuvo. As a result, my N03 bottomed out while P04 was still sitting at 0.06-0.10ppm. I had noticed some of the corals not looking as crisp and colorful, so I started feeding heavier. I have only 3 fish in the Nuvo, and my schedule is such that I can't always feed multiple times a day. So I started dosing N03. Color improved, and P04 dropped to 0.05-0.10ppm regularly.

I've been running the tank this way for a while, and recently I lost 3 SPS which were acquired from our local swap meet in October. Disappointing to me because I lost a Strawberry Shortcake, Pink Lemonade, and a Hawkins. These corals STN'd over the course of a couple days, a few weeks apart from each other. When they did, they STN'd from base up, not tips in. After reading some posts, I concluded I was likely phosphate limited and the corals were starving.

This past Sunday (water test day) all parameters were stable and in my sweet spot, except P04. This time it tested 0.03ppm. I had increased the amount of N03 I was dosing by 1ml and this related to another decline in P04. To prevent any additional losses, I dosed P04 and brought it to 0.11ppm. I travel a lot for work, so my tank was on autopilot from Monday to Thursday. When I got home I checked in on the tank and noticed most of my color had returned. I also noticed a few pieces of SPS that did not have much color at all are now showing some flouresence when the deep blues are on, giving me positive signs of zooxanthelle. I test my Alk twice a week regularly so I broke out the Hanna test kit. To my surprise, my tank was sitting at 6.5 DKH, where on Sunday it was 7.4 DKH.

So what did I learn? My tank has been phosphate limited for some time, that I need to adapt and possibly dose P04 if my schedule will prevent me from feeding heavier and increasing nutrients, and I experienced first hand the direct relationship of N03 to P04 to Alk consumption. Running an SPS tank in 14 gallons total water volume, you have to be on your game. Tomorrow is test day, so very interested to see the impact on CA and MG.

If you stuck with this post to the end, thanks all for reading. R2R is a great community and I appreciate all the posts and learnings I have drawn from everyone else along the way!
Whyyy are you worried about increasing nutrients? My 25 gallon sps frag tank has at least 100 no3 and 0.50 po4, absolutely zero algae and beautiful growing sps. They like and need fish poop. Give it to them
 
This coming January will be the one year mark for my little Nuvo 20. I've had some ups and downs with SPS, learning more and more as time has passed by. Without much effort on my part, my tank settled in as ULNS mostly on it's own. I stopped using the cheato reactor by month 3 or 4 as nutrients were totally bottomed out, and the cheato was dying anyway. At the point I removed the reactor, my N03 leveled off at 2-5ppm (Red Sea) and P04 was 0.08-0.12ppm (Hanna).

A few months ago I decided to start planning on another nano tank. My Nuvo was built to be SPS dominant, but somewhere along the way I acquired a bunch of Acans and Favias. My goal would be to put the Acans and Favias in a separate tank, and maybe try different salts or equipment or supplements as an experiment. In preparation I added a dozen 1 inch MarinePure spheres into the Nuvo, which would then move into the new tank. Well, this idea never really took off and the MarinePure spheres have been sitting in the back of the Nuvo. As a result, my N03 bottomed out while P04 was still sitting at 0.06-0.10ppm. I had noticed some of the corals not looking as crisp and colorful, so I started feeding heavier. I have only 3 fish in the Nuvo, and my schedule is such that I can't always feed multiple times a day. So I started dosing N03. Color improved, and P04 dropped to 0.05-0.10ppm regularly.

I've been running the tank this way for a while, and recently I lost 3 SPS which were acquired from our local swap meet in October. Disappointing to me because I lost a Strawberry Shortcake, Pink Lemonade, and a Hawkins. These corals STN'd over the course of a couple days, a few weeks apart from each other. When they did, they STN'd from base up, not tips in. After reading some posts, I concluded I was likely phosphate limited and the corals were starving.

This past Sunday (water test day) all parameters were stable and in my sweet spot, except P04. This time it tested 0.03ppm. I had increased the amount of N03 I was dosing by 1ml and this related to another decline in P04. To prevent any additional losses, I dosed P04 and brought it to 0.11ppm. I travel a lot for work, so my tank was on autopilot from Monday to Thursday. When I got home I checked in on the tank and noticed most of my color had returned. I also noticed a few pieces of SPS that did not have much color at all are now showing some flouresence when the deep blues are on, giving me positive signs of zooxanthelle. I test my Alk twice a week regularly so I broke out the Hanna test kit. To my surprise, my tank was sitting at 6.5 DKH, where on Sunday it was 7.4 DKH.

So what did I learn? My tank has been phosphate limited for some time, that I need to adapt and possibly dose P04 if my schedule will prevent me from feeding heavier and increasing nutrients, and I experienced first hand the direct relationship of N03 to P04 to Alk consumption. Running an SPS tank in 14 gallons total water volume, you have to be on your game. Tomorrow is test day, so very interested to see the impact on CA and MG.

If you stuck with this post to the end, thanks all for reading. R2R is a great community and I appreciate all the posts and learnings I have drawn from everyone else along the way!

An auto-feeder may be helpful. You can set the standard and seemingly indestructible Eheim auto-feeder to dispense dry food four times a day.
 
Whyyy are you worried about increasing nutrients? My 25 gallon sps frag tank has at least 100 no3 and 0.50 po4, absolutely zero algae and beautiful growing sps. They like and need fish poop. Give it to them
I think he wants them, bud.
 
I think he wants them, bud.

Agreed, but I feel like the OP’s on the fence a little/slightly in denial. OP?

Another protip involves adding Rooster Sauce (Siracha) to your tank to boost your SPS growth and coloration propensities. It’s a tricky maneuver. I wrote an ebook on the subject. It isn’t cheap, but worth the price if you’re interested.
 
Absolutely want the nutrients. The point I was making in my thread was that I saw firsthand the relationship between N03 and P04, followed by the impact to Alk and subsequent growth. And the reasons to keep Alk, CA, MG in proper ratios to levels of N03 and P04.

I had watched the Lou Ekus MACNA video a few times and it made perfect sense. When I witnessed it in my tank, it was a breakthrough moment.
 
I had the same issue in my mixed reef mainly lps and digitata, the sps grew so well I was having to frag it regularly to make room alk consumption was around 1.5 dkh ish per day so I had a doser for 2 part dosing. Then over the course of a few months the colours didn't look as good, I tested the water and everything was as it should be, but alk was creeping up and growth was slowly grinding to a halt. The colours got paler and stn started. Nitrates were 10 phosphates 0.06. I took a sample of water to my lfs to get a second opinion and no3 was 5 and p04 0.01 to 0. I have now been dosing both and what was once dead, is now growing and things are looking a little better. I think I have the same issue of only 3 fish in a 23 gallon and not enough fish poop food for the corals, when they were frags there was enough food, then too much growth they starved faster than I knew what the problem was.
so dosing of diy solutions for no3 and po4 it is.
 
Absolutely want the nutrients. The point I was making in my thread was that I saw firsthand the relationship between N03 and P04, followed by the impact to Alk and subsequent growth. And the reasons to keep Alk, CA, MG in proper ratios to levels of N03 and P04.

I had watched the Lou Ekus MACNA video a few times and it made perfect sense. When I witnessed it in my tank, it was a breakthrough moment.

Please share a link to the video. I don’t think I’ve seen it.
 
Sounds like you guys need more fish. Cardinals, clowns and basslets. My tank is only 50 gallons with maybe 35 gallons of water and I have 20 fish.
15 fish actually
But I have about 35-40 hermit crabs and a bunch of turbo snails, which all produce poop as well
 
Please share a link to the video. I don’t think I’ve seen it.
there are two. Search Lou Ekus MACNA 2019 and then reefdudes did an interview with him a couple of weeks ago.
 
turn off your skimmer?
Agreed. At least turn it off when the lights are on. Give the corals a chance to eat while they’re being blasted by light. My skimmer is off for 8 hours (4pm-midnight) comes back on when the lights are off.
 
Sounds like you guys need more fish. Cardinals, clowns and basslets. My tank is only 50 gallons with maybe 35 gallons of water and I have 20 fish.

I agree most tanks like this don’t have enough fish or too much filtration. Fish poo is a much different thing than dosing nitrate and po4. I will dose nitrate if my po4 creeps up but that’s just to lower it. I don’t get why some reefers are dosing nitrate and or when they already have readable levels. Especially po4, imo it’s just going to cause issues or get bound up in rocks.
 
I agree most tanks like this don’t have enough fish or too much filtration. Fish poo is a much different thing than dosing nitrate and po4. I will dose nitrate if my po4 creeps up but that’s just to lower it. I don’t get why some reefers are dosing nitrate and or when they already have readable levels. Especially po4, imo it’s just going to cause issues or get bound up in rocks.
I agree too but what po4 issues are you referring to?
 
Please share a link to the video. I don’t think I’ve seen it.

I think I misspoke. Lou Ekus MACNA talk was basic reef chemistry. Still a good watch, but on the subject of PO4 consumption, you can skip forward to about 9:15 on this video with reefdudes. Lou is pushing product to be sure, but lays out some interesting points. At least I was enthralled.

 

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