Ich or?

[Ablondekat]

I've been dosing my tank with ich x for 4 days now. Starting to thing my clown doesn't have ich but something more nefarious. What's your thoughts? I seem to be losing this battle.

 

[blaxsun]

Is that your only fish? (if not, how are the others)

#fishmedic

 

[nereefpat]

Ich x is more of a freshwater med. It's malachite green and something else (metro?). Marine ich really needs something more potent, like copper.

You might be on to something with thinking the clown has something else. Clowns are infamous for brooklynella.

 

[Lavey29]

Looks like brook on the clown to me

 

[MnFish1]

It looks like Brooklynella (to me) - and Ich X is a freshwater medication (as others have suggested). BUT - CI (Ich) can also look similar. Does the clown have any other symptoms? Breathing? etc? Any other fish?

 

[Ablondekat]

Is that your only fish? (if not, how are the others)

#fishmedic

I have another clown but he is so white I can't tell. Same with my lawnmower blenny. It's a 32 gn BioCube. It's about 2 month old. I put a flame angle in it from my LFS and 4 days later the angel dies. Looks good just finished eating, wiggs out for about an hour before I go to bed and dead the next day. Removed him did a 5 gallon water change. 2 days later I see little spots all over her. I know I should have quarantine the Angle. The LFS had it in the copper tanks for about a week.

 

[Ablondekat]

It looks like Brooklynella (to me) - and Ich X is a freshwater medication (as others have suggested). BUT - CI (Ich) can also look similar. Does the clown have any other symptoms? Breathing? etc? Any other fish?

 

[Ablondekat]

I know so little about this hobby and I'm reading like crazy. I currently have a 150 gallon salt tank that my LGS comes and cleans every 2weeks. I really think the LFS gets a lot of fish that are sick out of LA so in a rookie move I let them sell me over $1,500 worth of fish and all but the fairy wrasse and diamond gobies dead swiftly with in days.
So my tank is just hanging out alone for now. This bio cube was happy and healthy till the flame angle came in. Can I save them . What do you use for brook?

 

[nereefpat]

I know is says "marine" on it. But the ingredients are not strong enough for marine ich. If they were strong enough, your shrimp would also be killed.

Anyway, treating brook is different than treating ich. I believe formaldehyde baths are the treatment for that, but I don't have experience there.

 

[Ablondekat]

I know is says "marine" on it. But the ingredients are not strong enough for marine ich. If they were strong enough, your shrimp would also be killed.

Anyway, treating brook is different than treating ich. I believe formaldehyde baths are the treatment for that, but I don't have experience there.

Thank you. I appreciate your knowledge.

 

[MnFish1]

I know so little about this hobby and I'm reading like crazy. I currently have a 150 gallon salt tank that my LGS comes and cleans every 2weeks. I really think the LFS gets a lot of fish that are sick out of LA so in a rookie move I let them sell me over $1,500 worth of fish and all but the fairy wrasse and diamond gobies dead swiftly with in days.
So my tank is just hanging out alone for now. This bio cube was happy and healthy till the flame angle came in. Can I save them . What do you use for brook?

Apologies - the last time I checked - (and it might have been the bottle the person was using) - was only for fresh-water. The ingredients (assuming I'm reading correctly) - are a proprietary blend of 'formaldehyde and water'. Copper can be used to treat Ich/velvet - (and to a degree brook). Formaldehyde can also treat Brook and to a lesser degree CI and velvet.

If you have had that many fish deaths - I would suggest - that you treat with copper - in a QT tank - and leave your other tank fallow. I would not suggest treating in your display tank. Since you've already used Ich-X - which contains formaldehyde (unknown concentration) - as well as the other rapid deaths - suggests more of a velvet/CI type illness.

There is no simple answer here unfortunately.

 

[Ablondekat]

Apologies - the last time I checked - (and it might have been the bottle the person was using) - was only for fresh-water. The ingredients (assuming I'm reading correctly) - are a proprietary blend of 'formaldehyde and water'. Copper can be used to treat Ich/velvet - (and to a degree brook). Formaldehyde can also treat Brook and to a lesser degree CI and velvet.

If you have had that many fish deaths - I would suggest - that you treat with copper - in a QT tank - and leave your other tank fallow. I would not suggest treating in your display tank. Since you've already used Ich-X - which contains formaldehyde (unknown concentration) - as well as the other rapid deaths - suggests more of a velvet/CI type illness.

There is no simple answer here unfortunately.

Thank you!

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Ich-X marine seems to be just formalin at a low dose. Many “reef safe” medications use proven drugs, but at really low doses in order so as not to harm corals. Trouble is, they don’t really harm ich either!

I can’t tell from the photos off the clowns have late stage ich or brooklynella. If the fish started off with discrete white spots then it is likely ich.

Jay

 

[SlugSnorter]

I've been dosing my tank with ich x for 4 days now. Starting to thing my clown doesn't have ich but something more nefarious. What's your thoughts? I seem to be losing this battle.

looks like brook. Ich x doesn't really help in SW, and also shouldn't be added right into a main tank, but instead a QT/HT (quarantine/hospital tank)

 

[MnFish1]

Ich-X marine seems to be just formalin at a low dose. Many “reef safe” medications use proven drugs, but at really low doses in order so as not to harm corals. Trouble is, they don’t really harm ich either!

I can’t tell from the photos off the clowns have late stage ich or brooklynella. If the fish started off with discrete white spots then it is likely ich.

Jay

have you ever used a mixture of formaldehyde and copper at the same time - as some sites recommend?

 

[SlugSnorter]

have you ever used a mixture of formaldehyde and copper at the same time - as some sites recommend?

EDIT: NVM, I was thinking about a different med

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

have you ever used a mixture of formaldehyde and copper at the same time - as some sites recommend?

I vaguely recall a commercial medication that used copper and formalin - back in the 1970’s. I’ve never mixed them myself - too stressful to the fish…..I guess I might consider it if I had a clownfish with ich and Brook at the same time…..

Jay