Ich, Velvet or both?

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I used water from what I believe to be, a clean DT. There should be lots of bacteria in there. Is that sufficient or still add Biospira?
 
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Brian Kennedy said:
I used water from what I believe to be, a clean DT. There should be lots of bacteria in there. Is that sufficient or still add Biospira?
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Very little bacteria will be present in the water, you definitely need the biospira
 
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The powder brown is looking good this morning , but the pintail looks a little stressed. I don't think I'm there yet, but at what point would I pull him if he's not handling the copper?
 
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My tang is covered in spots again this morning, in QT with copper and the pintail still looks half dead. I haven't reached therapeutic levels yet. Looks like my choices are add more copper and both fish die, or do nothing and both fish die. This is ridiculous.
 
Brian Kennedy said:
My tang is covered in spots again this morning, in QT with copper and the pintail still looks half dead. I haven't reached therapeutic levels yet. Looks like my choices are add more copper and both fish die, or do nothing and both fish die. This is ridiculous.
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Look back at this post that @ngoodermuth shared again and scroll down to the second part that talks about the emergency treatment https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/
 
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Brian Kennedy said:
My tang is covered in spots again this morning, in QT with copper and the pintail still looks half dead. I haven't reached therapeutic levels yet. Looks like my choices are add more copper and both fish die, or do nothing and both fish die. This is ridiculous.
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Have you done a freshwater dip / antiseptic bath yet? That might buy some time to get the copper level up.

What level are you at now?
 
I started with a 5 min FW dip and 90 minutes in reef really. Put them in a 10 gallon with cupramine dosed at 20 drops per the directions on the bottle. Copper test kit is in the mail since nobody local had one. I added another 10 drops this morning. And have 10 more to go to get to therapeutic level. I completely understand that I'm guessing on the copper concentration since I don't have the test kit, but I really don't have a whole lot of options in the mean time. I'm pretty sure I'm killing the pintail, who has never shown visible signs of ich or velvet. He looks barely alive.
 
I have to ask, did you have a cleaner shrimp in your reef with the fish?
 
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Cleaner shrimp will pick parasites off of fish and keep them clean. As a rule I never will keep a Tang in a tank with out a cleaner shrimp. I also try to keep them in pairs as they will spawn often .
That said I do current have a tang and no shrimp but I did have the shrimps when I put the fish in. I have not added anything to the tank for several years now. I have always had ick on tangs but the shrimps kept it under total control. Now days it seems diseases run rampant which scares the heck out of me. I have never used a QT tank and never had issues. All of my fish always came from Inland Aquatics but they went out of business a few years ago. I always had good luck with their fish, now I don't know where to go. Anyway I am a true believer in keeping cleaner shrimp(s) with tangs.
 
Thank you Aframereef. I asked because I am nervous in stocking my first reef and QT looks quite cumbersome. I have an AIO c-vue 18G, the DT actually is more like 11G, running for 6-7months, with soft/LPS not growing much, probably because there is no fish yet. I'm looking for a pair of naked?clownfish and one cleaner goby? if to get the scarlet skunk cleaner shrimp: one? two? will that be too much? Thanks again, not intended to hijack the thread.
 
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Thank you Aframereef. I asked because I am nervous in stocking my first reef and QT looks quite cumbersome. I have an AIO c-vue 18G, the DT actually is more like 11G, running for 6-7months, with soft/LPS not growing much, probably because there is no fish yet. I'm looking for a pair of naked?clownfish and one cleaner goby? if to get the scarlet skunk cleaner shrimp: one? two? will that be too much? Thanks again, not intended to hijack the thread.
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Cleaner shrimp will not be of any value with ich or velvet.

QT does suck... entirely! Copper sucks too. But speeding a ton of money, killing too many fish and having to start over, then start over again sucks exponentially more. I managed ich and probably velvet for a year with my powder brown tang and he died when I pulled him from the display to treat what the heck copper. I attribute it entirely to my ignorance. My pintail fairy wrasse is barely hanging onto life, also in copper. Set up your QT, monitor your parameters without fish, get into a proper comfortable routine, read A LOT, then proceed.
 
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How’s the fish today?
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Powder brown died of what looked to be bacterial infection. Pintail is barely hanging on. Sits on the bottom of the tank looking half dead. I'm contemplating pulling him from copper, but at this point I'm not sure if it will do any good. Haven't seen him eat since going into QT.
 
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