Ich?

[xdq21x]

I recently bought a coral beauty and he has little white spots on his tail and a bigger white spot on one side of his gills and his dorsal fin looks a little rough, does he have ich?

I tried to get the best photos I could

 

[Cjud7982]

if the spots have been there for more than 12 hours then there is a good chance it is some sort of parasite or infection (ich, flukes,velvet,lymph,etc) regardless that fish should be removed from what looks like display to undergo a fw dip (treats flukes and provides a temporary reprieve from the potential parasites) and qt for observation and treatment. the pictures are sort of tough to judge. how long have you had the fish in your system? other tank mates? ever seen any other symptoms beyond the white spots? does he eat? if ich or velvet is determined to be the disease, all fish will have to be removed and treated (immediately if velvet,I mean like asap, and copper or cp treatment), display tank go fallow for 76 days, then with any luck you will be rid of the parasites and hopefully all fish live through it. do some research on the forums and read up on the life cycles, treatments, and symptoms of the varying diseases. We are all here to help

 

[Reefing Madness]

Starting out on the fins and not the body, I'm going with Lymphocysts

 

[xdq21x]

if the spots have been there for more than 12 hours then there is a good chance it is some sort of parasite or infection (ich, flukes,velvet,lymph,etc) regardless that fish should be removed from what looks like display to undergo a fw dip (treats flukes and provides a temporary reprieve from the potential parasites) and qt for observation and treatment. the pictures are sort of tough to judge. how long have you had the fish in your system? other tank mates? ever seen any other symptoms beyond the white spots? does he eat? if ich or velvet is determined to be the disease, all fish will have to be removed and treated (immediately if velvet,I mean like asap, and copper or cp treatment), display tank go fallow for 76 days, then with any luck you will be rid of the parasites and hopefully all fish live through it. do some research on the forums and read up on the life cycles, treatments, and symptoms of the varying diseases. We are all here to help

I put him in there Saturday and the tank mates are two clownfish and what do you mean by fallow for 76 days?

 

[Cjud7982]

Fallow means fishless. No fish in the system at all of any species. Most (if not all, someone correct me) marine parasites have a life cycle that requires fish to be present in the system to host the parasite and feed them. If there are no fish present in the system, then the parasites life cycle is broken and will eventually die off completely. See this thread https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fallow-periods-going-fishless.190324/

@Reefing Madness makes a good point about lymph. This disease usually starts on the tips of the fins, and can potentially works its way to the body and gills. To my knowledge so far, there is no cure for this and you must rely solely on the fishes immune system. Make sure it is fed well, no stress, and possibly supplement the food with vitamins like selcon. The fish can usually work through this disease if healthy and it may only show signs when a stress event happens, ie new fish, rework the rockscaping, or major water parameter change.

Do you have the ability to setup a QT tank?

fyi, reference this thread for a good explanation of the typical fish diseases to help with diagnosis https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fish-disease-index-pictorial-guide.285708/

 

[xdq21x]

Fallow means fishless. No fish in the system at all of any species. Most (if not all, someone correct me) marine parasites have a life cycle that requires fish to be present in the system to host the parasite and feed them. If there are no fish present in the system, then the parasites life cycle is broken and will eventually die off completely. See this thread https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fallow-periods-going-fishless.190324/

@Reefing Madness makes a good point about lymph. This disease usually starts on the tips of the fins, and can potentially works its way to the body and gills. To my knowledge so far, there is no cure for this and you must rely solely on the fishes immune system. Make sure it is fed well, no stress, and possibly supplement the food with vitamins like selcon. The fish can usually work through this disease if healthy and it may only show signs when a stress event happens, ie new fish, rework the rockscaping, or major water parameter change.

Do you have the ability to setup a QT tank?

fyi, reference this thread for a good explanation of the typical fish diseases to help with diagnosis https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fish-disease-index-pictorial-guide.285708/

Yes, I was going to get a 10 gal tank tomorrow with a hob filter and set it up, i plan on taking her out and putting her in there tomorrow...the only problem I am having is I’m leaving in a week on vacation so if I put her in a qt I won’t be able to treat or care for a week and if the ammonia spikes cause of a newly set up tank I’m not going to be here to act on it.

 

[Humblefish]

Are the spots moving (slowly crawling) or remaining stationary on the fish??

 

[xdq21x]

Are the spots moving (slowly crawling) or remaining stationary on the fish??

It’s hard to tell, I can’t tell if they’re moving or more are popping up, I’ll look when I get home today and compare it to the pics and let you know

 

[xdq21x]

Are the spots moving (slowly crawling) or remaining stationary on the fish??

So they don’t seem to be moving but after looking at her today it looks like she has more white dots

 

[Humblefish]

So they don’t seem to be moving but after looking at her today it looks like she has more white dots

Sounds like ich or velvet: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-difference-between-ich-velvet.315957/

 

[4FordFamily]

Sounds like ich or velvet: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-difference-between-ich-velvet.315957/

X2 if noticeably more white dots in 24 hours two consecutive days it’s definitely velvet.

Both ich and velvet may present on fins as well, sometimes first.

 

[xdq21x]

X2 if noticeably more white dots in 24 hours two consecutive days it’s definitely velvet.

Both ich and velvet may present on fins as well, sometimes first.

I’m almost positive it’s ich, I’ve started treatment

 

[4FordFamily]

I’m almost positive it’s ich, I’ve started treatment

If you’re noticing more dots over a 24-48 hour period it’s probably velvet — but the treatment recommendation is the same

 

[xdq21x]

If you’re noticing more dots over a 24-48 hour period it’s probably velvet — but the treatment recommendation is the same

I raised the temp of my tank and did the first dose of ruby reef kick-ick yesterday

 

[4FordFamily]

I raised the temp of my tank and did the first dose of ruby reef kick-ick yesterday

Raising the temperature can help with freshwater ich but crypt (marine ich) is not affected. Your fish are, however. Higher temps lead to higher stress and less oxygen saturation in the water, neither is a good thing.

Additionally, kick ick does nothing for marine ich at all, unfortunately.

 

[xdq21x]

Raising the temperature can help with freshwater ich but crypt (marine ich) is not affected. Your fish are, however. Higher temps lead to higher stress and less oxygen saturation in the water, neither is a good thing.

Additionally, kick ick does nothing for marine ich at all, unfortunately.

Raising the temp could speed up the life cycle of the parasite, and I the product says works on freshwater and saltwater fish, so I’m going to trust it. I don’t see why I it would have no effect on Marine Ich?

 

[4FordFamily]

Raising the temp could speed up the life cycle of the parasite, and I the product says works on freshwater and saltwater fish, so I’m going to trust it. I don’t see why I it would have no effect on Marine Ich?

Because it doesn’t kill all stages of marine ich, or any, for that matter, to my awareness and hasn’t for the ten years or more it’s been available. For marine and saltwater fish is different than “treats marine and freshwater ich”.

Kind of like how “made fresh every day” means they make it fresh everyday, but your batch of ice cream is a month old. They DID make a fresh batch that day of ice cream, however.

It’s very attractive to hope for a reef safe product that is very easy to use. But as long as these products have been in the market and the fact no study shows how it works or if it works, other than anecdotally, is telling in itself. If kick ich was a revolutionary product, it would have already replaced all of the more expensive and pain in the neck ways to deal with these parasites properly.

In truth, if you’re dealing with velvet, your fish will be dead in short order, unfortunately. Snake oil products at best, help a fish build a stronger slime coat, but that will never eradicate the parasites. Even wrasse with immensely super-fish slime coats can and do get these parasites.

 

[Humblefish]

Raising the temp could speed up the life cycle of the parasite, and I the product says works on freshwater and saltwater fish, so I’m going to trust it. I don’t see why I it would have no effect on Marine Ich?

A product can claim anything it wants, but the proof is in the pudding. Meaning, you need to dissect the product, look for active ingredients and then ask yourself: Are any of these scientifically proven to eradicate Cryptocaryon irritans? For KICK-ICH, the answer is no...