Ich??
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flfireman1
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Ok. Apparently it’s hard for you to understand. Parasites are classified under diseases. Google it.
flfireman1
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Can you tell me where you read this? Completely false that all fish have Ich.
flfireman1
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Read a little bit on this forum. You might learn a thing or two. No need to be spreading bad information. The reason you treat fish is to have them diseases/parasite free.
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rob safron
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I think If you run your tank fallow and therapeutically treat every fish with copper in QT you can be ich free. Just putting a fish in qt to watch for 45 days does not mean they are ich free.
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Appreciate the feedback. I agree looks different than Ick but my experience and research told me a fish would not last a day or two much less than a week with velvet. In my 30 years of various reef tanks, I have tried over and over pulling a sick fish out, setting up QT tank and medicating just to have the fish die anyway. I have not once been successfull at saving a fish with signs of ich or velvet with medicating. And now most fish have signs of illness, the tank is obviously infected I can’t see the point/pain of setting up a Tupperware container, chasing fish, breaking corals just to have them probably die anyway. Cross my fingers and try to keep them eating. It sucks. Pic of better days prior to flatworm exit.
It’s velvet: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/
Here is how to treat: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/#post-2499437
Contrary to popular belief, velvet can sometimes be managed or even become asymptomatic (rare). I’ve seen people with very large systems do it, running a UV/diatom filter, or even when using herbal remedies: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/a-discussion-regarding-herbal-remedies.251560/
The problem is it is a timebomb just waiting to go off, as we see from this thread.
@rob safron When was the last time “anything wet” was added to this tank? Corals/inverts, rocks, sand, macroalgae, pods?? Are you sure there is no way you cross contaminated from another tank? Do you have any other aquariums within 10 feet of this one?
Here is how to treat: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/#post-2499437
Contrary to popular belief, velvet can sometimes be managed or even become asymptomatic (rare). I’ve seen people with very large systems do it, running a UV/diatom filter, or even when using herbal remedies: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/a-discussion-regarding-herbal-remedies.251560/
The problem is it is a timebomb just waiting to go off, as we see from this thread.
@rob safron When was the last time “anything wet” was added to this tank? Corals/inverts, rocks, sand, macroalgae, pods?? Are you sure there is no way you cross contaminated from another tank? Do you have any other aquariums within 10 feet of this one?
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No other aquarium. Only thing added in last years were corals and rock. I did rescape the right side of the tank 6-7 months ago to get rid of GSP, added some new dry rock from BRS. Just a 1 week soak, 0 phosphates so threw them in. Kicked of a diatom bloom followed by cyno but that has passed. Then came the flatworms. Fish are still kicking this morning but still not much hungry. This is day 7 since the powder blue showed signs.
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How were the flatworms introduced? Always been there but at low levels controlled by a predator?
When I had flatworms a few years back (red planaria) I had to treat three times with FWE to fully rid the tank of them. Third time was insurance policy and I did not see any. Second time was to kill ones that hatched from eggs after. I also cleared the tank of any I saw by airline tubing for two weeks (every day) before the first treatment. I still had hundreds in the water column after treatment and continued to suck them out with airline tubing.
I feel your pain but would treat again before the population increases.
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Probably the few corals that I did not dip.
4FordFamily
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This is DEFINITELY velvet and your fish need to all be removed immediately and treated in copper. Follow these instructions yesterday, or your fish are toast. Sorry, to be direct but even an hour could be too late.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/
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He seems convinced that keeping things as is will simply make the velvet go away.
4FordFamily
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That is a death sentence to all fish pictured, if anyone is curious.
No it’s not. Healthy fish live with it just fine until a stressor event. There are steps to take that will bring their immune systems up again. These fish are 4 years old so they must have been living a death sentence for quite a long time.
