Ick/velvet medication
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Shufflepig
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Yes I used it in several rounds of quarantine before I got pure chloroquine phosphate from diamondback pharmacy. I followed the directions that came with the bottle and it seemed to work well. I treat prophylacticly in QT but had a flame angel that had ick and ick shield worked great. I feel more confident with the pure chloroquine phosphate but if I had none available I would not hesitate to use ick shield in its place.
If you are going to QT I would stick with the tried and true copper. I couldn’t imagine anything worse than having ich or velvet get into your DT because of s medication that is not proven to eradicate ich/velvet.
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Nmaran72
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Well that’s where I’m at. I recently got back into the hobby after 15 yrs. never did a quarantine. I set one up. Being that I never used copper I was tossing the idea of cp. something about dosing copper scares me. The whole reason why I’m doing qt is because I didn’t take it serious until I had to go fallow.
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Spar
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Copper Power has sort of changed the game on this concern from everything I have read. Used to be Cupramine or something harsh like that was the only option, but Copper Power seems to be very easy on the fish.
I personally use Chloroquine Phosphate. Seems to be the most tolerated medication for eradicating Ich and Velvet.
But most importantly read the fish compatibility chart to make sure that Copper or Chlorquine is recommended or not for your type of fish in QT.
Spar
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It is one of the sticky's on the front page of this subforum.
Fish and Treatment Guidelines (with chart)
Fish and Treatment Guidelines (with chart) The following chart is a quick reference guide on what QT protocol should be used according to which type of fish you are running through QT. It will give you an idea of which methods are generally safest with certain species but is not meant to be...
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Couple other useful reads and helpful links:
Chloroquine vendor: https://store.nationalfishpharm.com/items/view/616/chloroquine-phosphate
@Humblefish How-To QT: https://humble.fish/quarantine/
In Humblefish's write-up go to where it says 'Option B' and strongly consider this route. It combines Copper or Chlorquine with a single Tank-Transfer to significantly decrease the time period that the fish must be exposed to the chemical.
Humblefish recommends to medicate every fish with both Copper or Chloroquine, and then also General Cure. This will eliminate almost everything you need to be concerned about.
rkpetersen
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To really cover the most common infectious agents, you need to add extra doses of metronidazole between the two General Cure doses.
rkpetersen
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I'm specifically talking about uronema. GC does contain metro, but 2 doses of GC 5-7 days apart (the standard treatment for flukes) is not enough to ensure that uronema will be killed off. You add an extra 2 doses of just metro between the two GC doses, and then at least 1 more metro dose after the second GC dose, to be sure of getting uronema.
Also, GC in the water column won't get internal parasites. For internal parasites and worms, the fish need to be fed food laced with GC, by using Focus to bind it.
Spar
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Did not know this, thanks for the headsup on it. Is it ok to do GC in the water column (for flukes) AND in their food (for int. parasites)? Or should I really only be doing the internal parasites step if I see signs of it? I hate to overdo it with fish as a general QT procedure.
rkpetersen
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You can safely use GC in the water and in food, together.
Some people skip GC in food unless they see white stringy feces.
This is reasonable, and if you see signs later, you can even treat them in the display tank if necessary.
Exception to this might be sand-sleeping wrasses;
they have a high incidence of intestinal parasites, so I wouldn't skip the medicated food with them.
rkpetersen
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Once daily for 10 days.
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Lanthanum Chloride may kill ick , velvet and lymphocystis!!! May be, but not sure?? Need help to confirm it!
An observation on my aquarium , I had a yellow tang with lymphocystis, and I notice the some white spots like ick on my blue tang, they were visiting the lysmata shrimps for a clean up very frequently.
After dealing with an ick, velvet or what ever that killed all my fish, but a sand goby that I try to kill, after a quarantine of ten weeks (with the goby that I could not kill), I decided to ignore it and proceed with a phosphate reduction treatment with Lanthanum Chloride. Corals are the priority!.
So, I diluted 17 drops of lanthanum chloride (Phosphate RX) on half of liter of RO water and dose it to the intake of the skimmer at one drop or less per second to lower 0.1 ppm the phosphate on a 545 liter (144 Gal) reef tank., also placed the 10 micron nylon filter socks, I did it during 10 days, the goal was to lower the phosphates 1.0 ppm.
While doing it, I notice that the white spots on the blue tang went away at the second day, and at the end of the treatment I notice that the lymphocystis on yellow tang went away, so I decided to read more about Lanthanum chloride, and I found that it has some medical properties in the treatment of Cancer, and some effects on the cellular membrane...(may be can have some effects the ick, velvet and lymphocystis membrane?)
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Its been more than 5 months with no symptoms of ick, velvet or lymphocystis, because i now have a healthy aquarium, I can not make more tests to prove it!!!!
So, I decided to post this observation to encourage some one to continue with the test, with one condition!, please publish the results on this blog tread . Thanks!
An observation on my aquarium , I had a yellow tang with lymphocystis, and I notice the some white spots like ick on my blue tang, they were visiting the lysmata shrimps for a clean up very frequently.
After dealing with an ick, velvet or what ever that killed all my fish, but a sand goby that I try to kill, after a quarantine of ten weeks (with the goby that I could not kill), I decided to ignore it and proceed with a phosphate reduction treatment with Lanthanum Chloride. Corals are the priority!.
So, I diluted 17 drops of lanthanum chloride (Phosphate RX) on half of liter of RO water and dose it to the intake of the skimmer at one drop or less per second to lower 0.1 ppm the phosphate on a 545 liter (144 Gal) reef tank., also placed the 10 micron nylon filter socks, I did it during 10 days, the goal was to lower the phosphates 1.0 ppm.
While doing it, I notice that the white spots on the blue tang went away at the second day, and at the end of the treatment I notice that the lymphocystis on yellow tang went away, so I decided to read more about Lanthanum chloride, and I found that it has some medical properties in the treatment of Cancer, and some effects on the cellular membrane...(may be can have some effects the ick, velvet and lymphocystis membrane?)
Inhibitory effect of lanthanum chloride on migration and invasion of cervical cancer cells
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Its been more than 5 months with no symptoms of ick, velvet or lymphocystis, because i now have a healthy aquarium, I can not make more tests to prove it!!!!
So, I decided to post this observation to encourage some one to continue with the test, with one condition!, please publish the results on this blog tread . Thanks!
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