Ick vs velvet vs brook

[Damon Jensen]

The best I can say is I think I am dealing with multiple issues, first I thought ick, then velvet, then thanks to advice on this forum, brook. I do believe it is velvet and brook. I broke down and gave everyone a copper fresh water dip for about 2 min, then a fresh water dip for another 2 minutes. I know the copper doesn't treat the brook, but I feel bad for my pets and needed 5o do something.

I have been dealing with this for about 2 weeks. Trying hyposalinity and heat. Until yesterday everyone was eating fine. But my clown trigger and dog face puffer have stopped eating.

What confuses me is if it I'd brook, they should have died by now.

My batfish looks the worse but still eats.

Lots of tiny white spots and then a mucus discharge. Gills and fins look good but getting cloudy eyes in several fish.

The dips were very stressful on my fish.

 

[Mastiffsrule]

Hi, sorry we are late, I saw a few different threads. Let’s see if we can get the help into one of the threads by posting going forward in one to avoid missing something.

Can you post some info on the tank, parameters, and maybe some pics. Brook and velvet should have been lethal by now, you mentioned white spots but that could be a number of things. Also fish beside the bat fish

 

[Damon Jensen]

Hi, sorry we are late, I saw a few different threads. Let’s see if we can get the help into one of the threads by posting going forward in one to avoid missing something.

Can you post some info on the tank, parameters, and maybe some pics. Brook and velvet should have been lethal by now, you mentioned white spots but that could be a number of things. Also fish beside the bat fish

Thanks for helping
Background;
200gl FOWLR, sump 50 gl, tank has been up for 18 months no issues
1.020 salinity,ph 8.1 ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate, perfect! Nitrate sometime runs a tad high, this is a day or two before my weekly cleaning

About 2 weeks ago, My saltwater catfish got a eye cloudy, that I started to treat with microbe lift herbal. Then i notice what i thought was ick. I did a fresh water dip on everyone and started with heat 81 degrees and hypo salinity everyone was eating fine.

I added 3 red stripe shrimp, I had one blue streak wrasse. The fish lined up for cleaning. About a week ago fish stopped eating. I mixed malick and shelled peas with those normal food, krill seaweed and lobster also a give them a variety of frozen cubes.

About a week ago Fish stopped eating. Bat fish has mucus discharge

Noticed the white spots sounded more like velvet, I added UV lights, did a fresh water cooper-aid dip, followed by a clean fresh water dip, also it was suggested it might be brook.

Today I got a 20gl QT set up with the copper aid. 3 fish in it now.

These fish should be dead and they are week, but I guess I had pretty healthy fish.

What else can I do? So I understand I need to QT 3 or 4 weeks. I assume I watch their behaviors, eating and physical signs.

Interesting, everyone in the tank has issues.....except my Niger and picasso triggers. They eat and act normal eel is also fine. I have the bat, clown trigger and emperor angle in the qt....they were in the worst shape. Cow fish, catfish, and lion need treatment.

I will ad pics tomorrow

 

[Damon Jensen]

Malik should say garlic

 

[Damon Jensen]

The mucus sounds like a normal batfish reaction and common to the species....so one positive thing.

 

[Halal Hotdog]

Do you have formalin on hand? At this stage definitive diagnosis not as important as starting treatment. You could have all three. I have a clown trigger, can’t imagine what it would take to get him to not eat. Copper is definitely a good start. Formalin baths will help with Brook, and help decrease parasitic load from the other Protozoas.

Fish that don’t show symptoms will also need to be treated. I don’t know if eel can be a carrier.

Also raising temperature without treatment will speed up parasitic lifecycle making the situation worse.

Good luck, hoping they all make it.

 

[Damon Jensen]

Do you have formalin on hand? At this stage definitive diagnosis not as important as starting treatment. You could have all three. I have a clown trigger, can’t imagine what it would take to get him to not eat. Copper is definitely a good start. Formalin baths will help with Brook, and help decrease parasitic load from the other Protozoas.

Fish that don’t show symptoms will also need to be treated. I don’t know if eel can be a carrier.

Also raising temperature without treatment will speed up parasitic lifecycle making the situation worse.

Good luck, hoping they all make it.

Thanks, I stopped the heat about a week ago because I noticed behavior impacts. I have a lot of treatment to do, but I can't over crowd my QT. So I am focused first on who is not eating. I don't have formalin. Because it is only the batfish with the mucus, and that seems to be a trait of the species.

 

[Damon Jensen]

Thanks everyone for the help!!!!! First pic is my batfish 2 nights ago and right after the fresh water copper dips. The next two pictures are my fish today after 12 hours in copper QT. The white spots were covering the Bat.

They both look better and my emperor is a bit more active......still no eating. Clown trigger is being a trigger in log, but also not eating yet.

Batfish changes color frequently, so the difference is normal.

Assuming the QT is working, what is the sign and/or time to get them back in the main tank.

The tank is too small for the Bat and I have others that need treatment.

 

[Damon Jensen]

Do you have formalin on hand? At this stage definitive diagnosis not as important as starting treatment. You could have all three. I have a clown trigger, can’t imagine what it would take to get him to not eat. Copper is definitely a good start. Formalin baths will help with Brook, and help decrease parasitic load from the other Protozoas.

Fish that don’t show symptoms will also need to be treated. I don’t know if eel can be a carrier.

Also raising temperature without treatment will speed up parasitic lifecycle making the situation worse.

Good luck, hoping they all make it.

All my triggers are fat!!!!! So not eating is definitely a sign he is not happy

 

[LAReefer4Life]

Sorry you're dealing with this issue. It doesn't look like velvet or brook to me its actually a strong case of ich, that is why they have been able to sustain this long. Copper at therapeutic levels is the direction you need to take and treat all fish in QT for 35 days if you plan on running 1 QT tank and if you go with 2 QT then you can treat the fish with copper for 2 weeks and then transfer to sterile tank for observation. In addition, you need to run your display aquarium fallow for 76 days to eradicate the parasite.

 

[Damon Jensen]

Sorry you're dealing with this issue. It doesn't look like velvet or brook to me its actually a strong case of ich, that is why they have been able to sustain this long. Copper at therapeutic levels is the direction you need to take and treat all fish in QT for 35 days if you plan on running 1 QT tank and if you go with QT then you can treat the fish with copper for 2 weeks and then transfer to sterile tank for observation. In addition, you need to run your display aquarium fallow for 76 days to eradicate the parasite.

Thank you