The first one is too small to even guess. I know with the unique colors mane will try to give it an existing show name. And i preach this often, but IMO if it didn't come with the lineage of a show name then it cannot be that. The ID would be an impostor and could be harmful if you are mistaken. So the best route to go is to find a species name. But it will have to grow out a little more to get a better idea.
I totally understand and agree with your point. I'm just trying to get an idea if anyone is familiar with them as I bought them from someone who had to take their tank down. He had many high end named corals several of which he could remember and others he could not. Anyways I definitely appreciate your input and welcome any others.