Ideal Settings for ViparSpectra 165w?

[JIsBusyReefing]

The VS could use some spectrum fattening. Given how easy it is to pull the board, it's DIYing time. Going to pull many of the whites, and swap with violet, and maybe a few more 470nm.

Yah it could use some more in the 420-450 and 470-490 ranges. Maybe a tad bit of 400 as well. Definitely way too many white diodes. I get that their logic behind it was PAR but spectrum is equally as important and there should be a balance between the two. But, nevertheless, it can get the job done. Let us know how the swap goes!

 

[dommythaGOAT]

I think that’s fine. You may have to increase.
This is a 4x2x2 lit with two Visparspectra at 3 years old as a rough reference. 1% white, 90%blue.

Hey, do you run the whites and blues for the same amount of time each day? What is your current schedule and lighting? just picked one of these up and am trying to figure out what ideal settings I should build up to?

 

[Uncle99]

Blues from 11:00am to 10:00pm
White from 12:000pm to 9:00pm
Best is to set the “colour mix” to what you like, and never touch them again.
It’s the day in day out consistency that corals love.

 

[oreo54]

Yah it could use some more in the 420-450 and 470-490 ranges. Maybe a tad bit of 400 as well. Definitely way too many white diodes. I get that their logic behind it was PAR but spectrum is equally as important and there should be a balance between the two. But, nevertheless, it can get the job done. Let us know how the swap goes!

Since PAR is the photons between 400-700nm then blue or white doesn't make a difference.

Their choice of like 50/50 blue/white is because of look and possibly "cross platform use".
The white/green/red side is more conducive to freshwater plants and useable for fw tanks.
White channel alone is prob. like 10000K so a bit blue but again, a personal preference.

Europe and Asia seem to prefer "whiter" reef tanks so can run white heavier.

Really nothing to do with PAR.
PAR readings are interesting below as well as tone

 

[JIsBusyReefing]

Since PAR is the photons between 400-700nm then blue or white doesn't make a difference.

Their choice of like 50/50 blue/white is because of look and possibly "cross platform use".
The white/green/red side is more conducive to freshwater plants and useable for fw tanks.
White channel alone is prob. like 10000K so a bit blue but again, a personal preference.

Europe and Asia seem to prefer "whiter" reef tanks so can run white heavier.

Really nothing to do with PAR.
PAR readings are interesting below as well as tone

Oh someone on here told me awhile back that the reason they add so many whites was to add PAR. I'm just going by what they said.

I actually wrote ViparSpectra a couple of days ago and requested they either revise the current 165w model or make a new one for folks that want the more blue look, like myself. I recommended they reduce the amount of white diodes by half, keep the four 420 diodes, add more 450 and 470 blues, keep the two 520 greens, add a couple of 650 reds to accommodate chlorophyll B (also recommended by BRS), and keep the 660 reds. They responded pretty quick and said the development team would look into it.

 

[oreo54]

Oh someone on here told me awhile back that the reason they add so many whites was to add PAR. I'm just going by what they said.

I actually wrote ViparSpectra a couple of days ago and requested they either revise the current 165w model or make a new one for folks that want the more blue look, like myself. I recommended they reduce the amount of white diodes by half, keep the four 420 diodes, add more 450 and 470 blues, keep the two 520 greens, add a couple of 650 reds to accommodate chlorophyll B (also recommended by BRS), and keep the 660 reds. They responded pretty quick and said the development team would look into it.

Zooxanthellae don't have Chl B.. A and C
BTW: If measured on extracted pigments the "extractee" can have an effect on shifting the peak a bit.
and different from in-vivo measurements as well.
Ball park figures..
http://www.blueharbor.co.jp/en/Coral-Color-Management.html

Coral Color Management｜BlueHarbor

This is a coral color management theory created by scientifically understanding the color of coral from an optical perspective.

www.blueharbor.co.jp

Sorry I'm just sort of picky on tech stuff..

 

[JIsBusyReefing]

Zooxanthellae don't have Chl B.. A and C
BTW: If measured on extracted pigments the "extractee" can have an effect on shifting the peak a bit.
and different from in-vivo measurements as well.
Ball park figures..
http://www.blueharbor.co.jp/en/Coral-Color-Management.html

Coral Color Management｜BlueHarbor

This is a coral color management theory created by scientifically understanding the color of coral from an optical perspective.

www.blueharbor.co.jp

Sorry I'm just sort of picky on tech stuff..

I really wish everyone were on the same page with this stuff. LOL! So, then instead of a couple of 650 diodes, it looks like 670 would be better suited for C?

 

[oreo54]

I really wish everyone were on the same page with this stuff. LOL! So, then instead of a couple of 650 diodes, it looks like 670 would be better suited for C?

for the moment I'd go w/ this:

Since corals (zooxanthellae) have either or both a and c Chlorophylls, corals with c do not need deep red light, but corals with only a must also be exposed to deep red light in order for photosynthesis to occur normally.

"Standard" 660(670)nm seems sufficient.

"In-vivo" corrected absorption chart:

chl c1 and 2 peak at about 635. chl a 675

Figure 1. Assumed in vivo weight-specific absorption spectra of the...

Download scientific diagram | Assumed in vivo weight-specific absorption spectra of the main pigments, a sol,i * (l) (in m 2 mg À1 ), as derived from absorption spectra of individual pigments in solvent (see text). Absorption spectra of photosynthetic and nonphotosynthetic carotenoids are shown...

www.researchgate.net

suppose if wanted to "hedge ones bets" a mix of deep red/normal red would do
Say in a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio deep red/reg red

 

[JIsBusyReefing]

for the moment I'd go w/ this:


"Standard" 660(670)nm seems sufficient.

"In-vivo" corrected absorption chart:

chl c1 and 2 peak at about 635. chl a 675

Figure 1. Assumed in vivo weight-specific absorption spectra of the...

Download scientific diagram | Assumed in vivo weight-specific absorption spectra of the main pigments, a sol,i * (l) (in m 2 mg À1 ), as derived from absorption spectra of individual pigments in solvent (see text). Absorption spectra of photosynthetic and nonphotosynthetic carotenoids are shown...

www.researchgate.net

suppose if wanted to "hedge ones bets" a mix of deep red/normal red would do
Say in a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio deep red/reg red

I passed this along to them. They said they can't release a new board because they receive it from a factory in China that makes them and Viparspectra has no say in how they configure the diodes. They recommended just modifying the board but to be mindful that it voids the warranty.

 

[oreo54]

I passed this along to them. They said they can't release a new board because they receive it from a factory in China that makes them and Viparspectra has no say in how they configure the diodes. They recommended just modifying the board but to be mindful that it voids the warranty.

Awhile back I found a supplier on alibaba that basically would do "viparspectra like" custom boards. Have no idea atm where it was.

OK wasn't alibaba..

https://www.dhgate.com/product/retrofit-upgrade-55x3w-led-board-reef-spectrum/528183488.html

also custom spectrim is available.

The 2 drivers needed aren't exactly easy to find though.
Believe DH Gate has them though..

 

[JIsBusyReefing]

Awhile back I found a supplier on alibaba that basically would do "viparspectra like" custom boards. Have no idea atm where it was.

OK wasn't alibaba..

https://www.dhgate.com/product/retrofit-upgrade-55x3w-led-board-reef-spectrum/528183488.html

The 2 drivers needed aren't exactly easy to find though.
Believe DH Gate has them though..

I wonder if they can just build the board and then swap the board in the viparspectra.

 

[JIsBusyReefing]

Hey @oreo5457, I found a guy who builds custom boards on Facebook. His name is Walson Ni. He said his boards fit in the viparspectra casing. He's charging $50 per board. Here's his diode layout. What do you think?

 

[oreo54]

Hey @oreo5457, I found a guy who builds custom boards on Facebook. His name is Walson Ni. He said his boards fit in the viparspectra casing. He's charging $50 per board. Here's his diode layout. What do you think?

Everyone has their own take on these..

Change Viparspectra LED layout? Any advice welcome

Hi All, I have a viparspectra light, love it, but i'm more or less wasting the white channel (only at 7%) I thought id try and play with the layout as I have a dead boarded dSuny here with a number of LEDS I can swap out, below is the original layout: And here would be my proposed layout...

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There are dozens here and there.
sort of the point is to do it "your way".
right or wrong. Actually there are few ways to fail with spectrum. Look on the other hand is different.

 

[oreo54]

30 pages for you..

The Modified Black Box Thread

So, over the past year I've been changing LEDs and lenses to find a good spectrum, light dispersment, limited shimmer and most importantly less "disco" effect, on my 165w wifi black box. I think I've found a combination. I decided to keep the 120° lenses and mixed 90° beaded and not beaded...

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post #564,574
A comment: only partially true really, look comes into play but a fair amount of truth.

You absolutely don't have to do anything to your lights. You probably just won't be using majority of the white channel depending on how blue you like it. Majority of users seem to run their white channels between 1 and 30%. The only reason to mod them, at least for me, was so that I could squeeze more juice out of the white channel.

 

[JIsBusyReefing]

30 pages for you..

The Modified Black Box Thread

So, over the past year I've been changing LEDs and lenses to find a good spectrum, light dispersment, limited shimmer and most importantly less "disco" effect, on my 165w wifi black box. I think I've found a combination. I decided to keep the 120° lenses and mixed 90° beaded and not beaded...

www.reef2reef.com

post #564,574
A comment: only partially true really, look comes into play but a fair amount of truth.

Dang! Personally, I'd want a third of the amount of the original whites, additional blues (480nm, 460nm, 440nm) rather than adding more of what the board already has, x4 400nm diodes, and x2 670nm diodes to expand that red spectrum a little bit.

Also, in that guy's layout of the original diodes, he got it wrong. There are no 410nm diodes on the board. Only x4 420nm.

 

[JIsBusyReefing]

Ok so rather than playing with diodes and swapping out boards, I decided to try a lazy method and I blacked out excess amount of white diodes with electoral tape on the acrylic shield. Not sure if it'll last forever but below is what I blacked out marked in black and I love the coloration now. I'm also getting really nice light refraction variation throughout the tank that you would naturally see on a reef. I even bumped up the white intensity to 20% with blues at 50% and the tank still has a nice blue look to it. Very happy.

 

[Bigdaddy05]

I wouldn’t touch the lenses, you won’t get a good blend.
The way these lights are configured, removing the lense will result in some corals not gettting the light they need.
I really don’t understand why people modify them, it’s not required.
Mine grow everything well, Acros, Maxima Claims, nems.
What I did notice is when I just left them at one setting, about 4 months later, growth skyrocketed.

What settings do u run?

 

[Uncle99]

In my mixed reef, 7” above the surface, blue 20% and white 1%.
That works out using a PAR meter to around 400 just under the surface, 150-250 in the middle, and 70-120 on the bottom, some 30-60 in the corners.
I use one for every 24”cube.

Just blue at 100% pushed 800-900 at the surface so these lights can easily fry things.

 

[outhouse]

Im running a 210g tank 30" deep, for years I ran 60 then 80% W and B, it burned everything and grew nothing. I set B and W to 1% each and growth is through the roof and everything is coloring back up dramatically. B on from 2 to 10 and W 3 to 9 Coral love it. These lights are to strong and caution should be used.

 

[stevendiaz127]

I have a nuvo sr60g aio 8" above water total 24" to sand just picked up these lights viparspectra 165w I so need help with setting up from blue spectrum to white also a time scedule and also blue and white percent also I have sps corals and 4 lps please need advice