Illness I.D please

[Danjoc92]

Hello all. I have just returned home from work to find my royal grammar has died. I have had him a month and they seemed fine eating and swimming as usual. I inspected the fish when I took him out of my tank and couldn’t see anything on him. I have been studying my two clowns for the past half an hour and potentially can see tiny white spots on one. They are extremely small fish about the size of my thumb nail. They have been in the tank for 2 months. Both are eating and swimming like usual. I added a cleaner shrimp and torch coral two days ago and all my water parameters have been constant Could anyone help potentially I.D what may be on the clown. This is my first tank a Fluval evo. I don’t have a Q.T tank but could potentially buy one if it’s the last resort. Thanks.

 

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[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Hello all. I have just returned home from work to find my royal grammar has died. I have had him a month and they seemed fine eating and swimming as usual. I inspected the fish when I took him out of my tank and couldn’t see anything on him. I have been studying my two clowns for the past half an hour and potentially can see tiny white spots on one. They are extremely small fish about the size of my thumb nail. They have been in the tank for 2 months. Both are eating and swimming like usual. I added a cleaner shrimp and torch coral two days ago and all my water parameters have been constant Could anyone help potentially I.D what may be on the clown. This is my first tank a Fluval evo. I don’t have a Q.T tank but could potentially buy one if it’s the last resort. Thanks.

I agree there could be some vague white spots on that clown. Are either of them breathing rapidly? If you post a short video of them, I may be able to judge their respiration rate for you.
Jay

 

[Danjoc92]

I agree there could be some vague white spots on that clown. Are either of them breathing rapidly? If you post a short video of them, I may be able to judge their respiration rate for you.
Jay

Hi I’m sorry I cannot upload videos here for some reason I tried to do it as the photo quality was poor when I zoomed in. Neither of them are breathing rapidly or have shown any unusual behaviour. I neglected to say in the post above that I turned the pump up by about 10% when I put the torch coral in.

 

[Sharkbait19]

Did the gramma ever act off?
Those spots could be indicative of ich or brook, both are best treated in qt.

 

[Sharkbait19]

Hi I’m sorry I cannot upload videos here for some reason I tried to do it as the photo quality was poor when I zoomed in. Neither of them are breathing rapidly or have shown any unusual behaviour. I neglected to say in the post above that I turned the pump up by about 10% when I put the torch coral in.

Try linking it as a YouTube video- the site is weird with videos.

 

[Danjoc92]

The grammar this morning acted no different to usual.

Did the gramma ever act off?
Those spots could be indicative of ich or brook, both are best treated in qt.

Hello. Hard to say as ever since I got it it lived under a rock and would only swim freely when being fed. I didn’t notice anything unusual this morning when feeding them though.

 

[Danjoc92]

The grammar this morning acted no different to usual.

Try linking it as a YouTube video- the site is weird with videos.

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I have just taken these. The lights been off for about 45mins and they usually swim up the wall and act a little crazy when it’s turned on so that’s not too concerning for me.

 

[Danjoc92]

Probably the best photo I have of it.

 

[Sharkbait19]

Looks like ich to me - I’d get the fish into qt and treat with copper.
Tank should remain fallow for 60 days.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I see some protozoan parasite here as well. Moving the fish to a treatment tank and dosing with Coppersafe would be my go-to treatment. However, if this develops into mucus sheets coming off the fish, that is Brooklynella and copper doesn’t work well for that, formalin is better.
Jay

 

[Danjoc92]

Thanks so much for all your help everyone I really appreciate it. Wednesday will be the soonest I can buy a QT set up. Would a small canister filter work for the time being and should I put in some dry rock and ATM colony. I’m worried I’ll have the poor fish sat in an ammonia bath.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Thanks so much for all your help everyone I really appreciate it. Wednesday will be the soonest I can buy a QT set up. Would a small canister filter work for the time being and should I put in some dry rock and ATM colony. I’m worried I’ll have the poor fish sat in an ammonia bath.

Yes, ammonia issues in a new QT is a real problem. Can you use bacteria from your established tank? Your Evo may be too new though. Otherwise, you will need to buy some "bacteria in a bottle" products.

Another couple of days to start the treatment really puts the fish back. You might consider doing daily 5 minute freshwater dips to see if you can buy some time.

Jay

 

[Danjoc92]

Yes, ammonia issues in a new QT is a real problem. Can you use bacteria from your established tank? Your Evo may be too new though. Otherwise, you will need to buy some "bacteria in a bottle" products.

Another couple of days to start the treatment really puts the fish back. You might consider doing daily 5 minute freshwater dips to see if you can buy some time.

Jay

I have bacteria in a bottle which I will have to use. My issue is I work 12 hour shifts and Wednesday is the first day I have off this week. I’ll have to set it up then. I will freshwater dip as soon as I can tonight.

 

[Danjoc92]

Unfortunately I lost them during the night. Thanks for all your help though. I will still buy a QT tank and start to cycle some extra media for the QT tank just incase anything like this happens in the future.

 

[Tonycass12]

Unfortunately I lost them during the night. Thanks for all your help though. I will still buy a QT tank and start to cycle some extra media for the QT tank just incase anything like this happens in the future.

Sorry that sucks. Many of us experience this at some point or another. Its turned me on to using QT on all incoming fish. And I haven't had an issue since. Get as big a QT tank as you can and you will have less troubles. I run a 40breeder for a quarantine and can do a month with copper without having any ammonia issues(all I run in my power filter on that tank is floss onto of some bio balls). Just get some filter floss and stick it in your main tank filter system, then when you start up your QT toss the floss into a power filter on that tank and you have an instant cycle thanks to the nitrifying bacteria you just moved over. When QT is done toss the floss and clean all the equipment.