In home pesticide use?

[borillion]

In the last 2 months I have found 2 roaches in my apt, if I cover the 29 gal one clownfish tank with a blanket and not spray any closer than 2 meters/yards would I be ok? I am thinking of using this? Ortho home defense perimeter 2 https://www.ortho.com/en-us/product...-insect-killer-indoor-perimeter2-comfort-wand

Looks like the German kind, the other was just a baby one so I couldn't tell. I think it was also German. OMG I keep everything in containers. I have no idea where they came from, but I suspect the neighbors on the back or upstairs.

 

[cmoore806]

I keep a dubia roach colony to feed the kid's leopard gecko. Id just kill the roaches and cleanup to make sure you don't leave eggs on the ground after squishing it. If the problem repeats I'd tell my landlord they need to figure it out.

 

[borillion]

I keep a dubia roach colony to feed the kid's leopard gecko. Id just kill the roaches and cleanup to make sure you don't leave eggs on the ground after squishing it. If the problem repeats I'd tell my landlord they need to figure it out.

It's hard that way, because I can't kill what I don't see and I am sure for every one I do see there are 5 that I don't LOL. Ghaah.

 

[fish farmer]

Have you tried roach motel type traps?

If they are coming from the neighbor's, they will more than likely come back. I had an upstairs apartment where the landlord would spray for roaches every few months. I kept my place relatively clean, my downstairs neighbor was a pack rat, so his place probably didn't get sprayed effectively. About two weeks to a month later they would be back. I did bug bomb the place once with a 10 gallon tank covered with a towel and it was ok....until I used two bug bombs.

I had more than two roaches though....

 

[JReef3]

Hi borillion, please be careful if you consider using pesticide. I completely get how gross roaches seem; when in the military, I Iived in a few places with tons of big roaches and I couldn’t stand them. If I’m not mistaken, the active ingredient in Ortho Home Defense is Bifenthrin. It’s a great insecticide but is also highly toxic to fish and other aquatic life. I use Bifenthrin around the outside of my house to keep black widow spiders away and it works quite well but I am also super paranoid about letting anything tank-related touch the ground outside my house because of this . I won’t set a QT tank, nets, or dry live rock etc… on the ground to hose it off for fear that traces of the insecticide may still be around . Ortho Home Defense has a relatively low concentration of Bifen in it compared to the commercial strength stuff you can buy on Amazon. If you do choose to use it inside, remember that it is meant to last for months so traces of it will be on the floor or wherever you spray and you’ll want to consider this if you set a net, refractometer, or anything at all on the floor. You may want to start by placing some sort of granular version of this just under the sink or elsewhere inaccessible to people to see if that takes care of it. Basic roach motels like suggested by fish farmer might be a more safe place to start. Good luck!

 

[borillion]

Have you tried roach motel type traps?

If they are coming from the neighbor's, they will more than likely come back. I had an upstairs apartment where the landlord would spray for roaches every few months. I kept my place relatively clean, my downstairs neighbor was a pack rat, so his place probably didn't get sprayed effectively. About two weeks to a month later they would be back. I did bug bomb the place once with a 10 gallon tank covered with a towel and it was ok....until I used two bug bombs.

I had more than two roaches though....

I have not, I will try those out first. I did have ant problems too and got those baits they take home to their colony and they worked great. I have lived here for like a month short of two years and this is the first time ever I have seen any.

I will try the roach motel first and see how that goes. Just want to try and nip it in the bud before it grows into a bigger one.

 

[borillion]

Hi borillion, please be careful if you consider using pesticide. I completely get how gross roaches seem; when in the military, I Iived in a few places with tons of big roaches and I couldn’t stand them. If I’m not mistaken, the active ingredient in Ortho Home Defense is Bifenthrin. It’s a great insecticide but is also highly toxic to fish and other aquatic life. I use Bifenthrin around the outside of my house to keep black widow spiders away and it works quite well but I am also super paranoid about letting anything tank-related touch the ground outside my house because of this . I won’t set a QT tank, nets, or dry live rock etc… on the ground to hose it off for fear that traces of the insecticide may still be around . Ortho Home Defense has a relatively low concentration of Bifen in it compared to the commercial strength stuff you can buy on Amazon. If you do choose to use it inside, remember that it is meant to last for months so traces of it will be on the floor or wherever you spray and you’ll want to consider this if you set a net, refractometer, or anything at all on the floor. You may want to start by placing some sort of granular version of this just under the sink or elsewhere inaccessible to people to see if that takes care of it. Basic roach motels like suggested by fish farmer might be a more safe place to start. Good luck!

Your comments above are exactly why I am apprehensive using the spray or anything for that matter, and it would have only been around my kitchen baseboards along the cabinets, but given that also where I filter the water into my 5 gal jugs that might be a not so good idea. I do know that permithrin is pretty toxic to fish so I am not surprised this chemical is bifenthrin, sounds like its probably in the same family ( Pyrethroid IIRC - chrysanthemum flowers )

I am also from the Sacramento area, and I am sure you have heard we are supposedly having a boom of these uglies. I will def check out the motels like I said above had not considered that was even a thing. I'm even apprehensive about loose pellets or grains that I can't manage, or might spread beyond their original application area.

 

[JReef3]

I am also from the Sacramento area, and I am sure you have heard we are supposedly having a boom of these uglies.

Yes indeed I have heard about it. I actually found a few in my detached garage for the first time ever several months back and did some searching. From what I found, it seems the Sacramento Sewer District has been having issues with them and that is where they are coming from. If you google a bit you’ll likely find some articles about it. Not sure if has to do with their maintenance of their systems or climate change or what but they are aware of it. I have a manhole cover on the street in front of my garage. I called the Sewer District to ask them about it and they knew exactly what I was talking about. They immediately agreed to send out an employee to check it out. The employee opened the manhole cover and saw some inside; he said it wasn’t bad and he’s seen MUCH worse in other areas. When they check and identify this, they have an exterminator they are contracted with that that they send out at their expense. The exterminator tapes over the little tool holes in the cover at the offending manhole and nearby ones and then they fog the sewer lines in that part of the block. This does help I’d guess but the problem is that once they are in the area, they’re very hard to get rid of as they live under bark, rocks, leaves, etc… so you’d want to treat your yard or have your landlord do so and that in conjunction with the sewer lines may have an impact. Glad you mentioned you’re in the the Sacramento area too so I could share this info with you in case you find it useful. I’m actually in Elk Grove specifically but understands the problem is actually all over Sacramento.

 

[Malcontent]

Use an IGR. Most are very non-toxic to fish if not completely non-toxic. Gentrol, for example.

They interfere with development between life stages rather than an outright poison which only kills adults.

 

[sfin52]

Why use liquid pesticide. Its pointless and won't kill the roaches. to kill roaches you need roach gel bait. Lots of options just stay away from store brands. Gel bait safe to use around tanks and other items. I use gel baits in commercial kitchens all the time. I also use it around aquariums.

 

[Spieg]

If you have them in your apartment building and are uncomfortable about being around them, then I would probably move someplace else. Nearly impossible to eradicate them in a multifamily dwelling.

 

[sfin52]

Use an IGR. Most are very non-toxic to fish if not completely non-toxic. Gentrol, for example.

They interfere with development between life stages rather than an outright poison which only kills adults.

You still need a gel bait. I would use vendetta plus has an igr already built in. It could take a long time to kill the roaches. The ice only prevents babies and the young from becoming an adult.
Best used with baits. The igr makes the females drop egg capsels early and makes the females want to feed. The gravid females won't fees carrying the ootheca

 

[sfin52]

If you have them in your apartment building and are uncomfortable about being around them, then I would probably move someplace else. Nearly impossible to eradicate them in a multifamily dwelling.

No its not. If he moves very possible he moves with them. I've cleared whole apartment buildings. Almost cleared a low income high rise. They canceled the service before I completed the task. The garbage shoot was the hardest part. Only need about 3 more months.

 

[sfin52]

I keep a dubia roach colony to feed the kid's leopard gecko. Id just kill the roaches and cleanup to make sure you don't leave eggs on the ground after squishing it. If the problem repeats I'd tell my landlord they need to figure it out.

They carry the eggs till they hatch. Dubias will have a hard time leaving in our homes the conditions are not optimal for them.

 

[sfin52]

It's hard that way, because I can't kill what I don't see and I am sure for every one I do see there are 5 that I don't LOL. Ghaah.

Hit me up in a pm. I'll get you squared away

 

[sfin52]

Yes indeed I have heard about it. I actually found a few in my detached garage for the first time ever several months back and did some searching. From what I found, it seems the Sacramento Sewer District has been having issues with them and that is where they are coming from. If you google a bit you’ll likely find some articles about it. Not sure if has to do with their maintenance of their systems or climate change or what but they are aware of it. I have a manhole cover on the street in front of my garage. I called the Sewer District to ask them about it and they knew exactly what I was talking about. They immediately agreed to send out an employee to check it out. The employee opened the manhole cover and saw some inside; he said it wasn’t bad and he’s seen MUCH worse in other areas. When they check and identify this, they have an exterminator they are contracted with that that they send out at their expense. The exterminator tapes over the little tool holes in the cover at the offending manhole and nearby ones and then they fog the sewer lines in that part of the block. This does help I’d guess but the problem is that once they are in the area, they’re very hard to get rid of as they live under bark, rocks, leaves, etc… so you’d want to treat your yard or have your landlord do so and that in conjunction with the sewer lines may have an impact. Glad you mentioned you’re in the the Sacramento area too so I could share this info with you in case you find it useful. I’m actually in Elk Grove specifically but understands the problem is actually all over Sacramento.

Those most likely oriental and american nothing like german. All cities and towns have these in the sewer and storm lines. Your correct about the treating it can be complicated and requires a lot of prep work inside and out.
Treating around the foundation is great for american and oriental. In some circumstances is very effective in helping control german roaches. Like if the are coming from a neighbor. Thats not as common as people think

But he's talking German quite a different problem.

 

[sfin52]

Hi borillion, please be careful if you consider using pesticide. I completely get how gross roaches seem; when in the military, I Iived in a few places with tons of big roaches and I couldn’t stand them. If I’m not mistaken, the active ingredient in Ortho Home Defense is Bifenthrin. It’s a great insecticide but is also highly toxic to fish and other aquatic life. I use Bifenthrin around the outside of my house to keep black widow spiders away and it works quite well but I am also super paranoid about letting anything tank-related touch the ground outside my house because of this . I won’t set a QT tank, nets, or dry live rock etc… on the ground to hose it off for fear that traces of the insecticide may still be around . Ortho Home Defense has a relatively low concentration of Bifen in it compared to the commercial strength stuff you can buy on Amazon. If you do choose to use it inside, remember that it is meant to last for months so traces of it will be on the floor or wherever you spray and you’ll want to consider this if you set a net, refractometer, or anything at all on the floor. You may want to start by placing some sort of granular version of this just under the sink or elsewhere inaccessible to people to see if that takes care of it. Basic roach motels like suggested by fish farmer might be a more safe place to start. Good luck!

You need to try onslaught fast cap. Spary right after sunset when the spiders are busy building thier webs. You will kill far more spiders this way.

 

[Spieg]

No its not. If he moves very possible he moves with them. I've cleared whole apartment buildings. Almost cleared a low income high rise. They canceled the service before I completed the task. The garbage shoot was the hardest part. Only need about 3 more months.

If you bag and bomb all your belongings in the process of moving, it should not be a problem getting rid of the little buggers before settling in at a new place. I lived in a large 3 story apartment building (about 200 units) when I was a young man and we had roaches show up about every 5-6 months like clockwork. Management would call in an exterminator and bomb the building, set out poison, and place traps... it would be clear for a while but they always returned.

 

[sfin52]

If you bag and bomb all your belongings in the process of moving, it should not be a problem getting rid of the little buggers before settling in at a new place. I lived in a large 3 story apartment building (about 200 units) when I was a young man and we had roaches show up about every 5-6 months like clockwork. Management would call in an exterminator and bomb the building, set out poison, and place traps... it would be clear for a while but they always returned.

Most bombing won't kill all the roaches. There's alot of roach population that will survive that.

 

[sfin52]

If you bag and bomb all your belongings in the process of moving, it should not be a problem getting rid of the little buggers before settling in at a new place. I lived in a large 3 story apartment building (about 200 units) when I was a young man and we had roaches show up about every 5-6 months like clockwork. Management would call in an exterminator and bomb the building, set out poison, and place traps... it would be clear for a while but they always returned.

Thats because a regular maintenance program wasn't being used. The problem unit wasn't being treated. I almost cleared a 7 story high-rise till management said thier maintenance guys could do the same job. They could not. Now they are in talks with us to treat the building again.