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Hi everyone I started my tank a while back I'm trying to keep this as short as possible, so long story short I have what looks like an major outbreak of diatom and also cyano, my fish kept dying even though all my tests came back with good results. So with that being said I gave up the last few weeks and now I'm ready to jump back in. How do you guys think I should attack putting my system back in check from its current state, should I pull and scrub rock work and do small water changes while treating for the cyano or... please be detailed as I'm still fairly new at this. TIA EVERYONE!
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Can you list water parameters please?
Do small water changes.
What's your filtration
 
Is this tank at or near a window?
Water change is a must and filters cleaned with addition of chemipure Blue and reduction of white light intensity.
Are you using RODI water or tap water from the faucet?
 
I would start with a 100% water change scrubbing the rocks in the changed out water. No livestock right?
 
how old is the tank? what are your parameters? it looks like diatoms and cyano on top of a bacterial bloom.
Tank started in February parameters have always been within spec l.
 
Is this tank at or near a window?
Water change is a must and filters cleaned with addition of chemipure Blue and reduction of white light intensity.
Are you using RODI water or tap water from the faucet?
No window nearby and I have an rodi system at home
 
No, no livestock

Then it's an easy reset. But at some point you need to figure out exactly what went wrong or you will end up in the same spot.
 
No window nearby and I have an rodi system at home
Also known as bacterial blossom, bacterial bloom is a condition in which a sudden increase in the number of bacterial colonies occurs, specifically bacteria that are suspended in the water column. The bacteria grows so rapidly that collectively they become visible to the naked eye, causing the water to become milky/cloudy/hazy in appearance. This condition most often is seen in a newly started aquarium, but can also occur in a tank in which there is has been an increase in the nutrients in the water, particularly nitrates and phosphates. Excessive feeding of fish without cleaning the debris can also cause a sharp increase in nutrients that results in these blooms .
There are two types of bacteria at work in aquariums:
  • Autotrophic Bacteria: Bacteria capable of synthesizing its own food from inorganic substances, using light or chemical energy. The beneficial bacterias are autotrophs.
  • Heterotrophic Bacteria: Bacteria that cannot synthesize its own food and is dependent on complex organic substances for nutrition. The heterotrophs in the aquariums mineralize the organic waste (break down the uneaten food, fish waste, dead plant matter, etc. into ammonia).
It is more common that the heterotrophs are seen in bacterial blooms, not the trusted autotroph nitrifiers. It is the heterotrophs which are primarily responsible for creating the "bio-film" (slimy residue found on the tank walls and rocks. As the ammonia production increases due to the increased mineralization, the nitrifiers are slow to catch up and an ammonia spike occurs until the autotrophs reproduce enough to take care of it. Contrary to popular belief, bacterial blooms cause an ammonia spike, not the other way around.
It is unclear whether the autotrophic nitrifiers ever bloom into the water column or if they simply multiply too slowly to cause this effect.
Water changes will play a role as well as filter maintenance.

WHAT FILTER(S) ARE YOU USING ?
 
Then it's an easy reset. But at some point you need to figure out exactly what went wrong or you will end up in the same spot.
That's my problem I monitored everything watching these threads closely and I waited before adding fish the first time nitrates nitrite and ammonia were all well within there limits but I kept losing fish after 2 to 3 weeks and the diatom kept coming and never went away. Then came the cyano
 
What kind of filtration do you have? Is there a chance you may have been over feeding? Using a bacteria additive to help re-start/support nitrification cycle will help that can safely be used.
 
Hard to diagnose anything at this point, but all the issues you listed can be remedied.
 
I just find hard to believe that a tank with all water parameters in check would had this type of diatoms/cyno outbreak. If you think it’s bacterial, get a UV sterilizers.
 
What kind of filtration do you have? Is there a chance you may have been over feeding? Using a bacteria additive to help re-start/support nitrification cycle will help that can safely be used.
I believe over feeding could have been a contributing factor in the beginning. while on vacation I think my daughter overfed but that was 5 months and 6 fish ago. I use the seachem tidal 35 on a 20 gallon.
 
I just find hard to believe that a tank with all water parameters in check would had this type of diatoms/cyno outbreak. If you think it’s bacterial, get a UV sterilizers.
Unless I'm not checking something that I should be.
 
Also known as bacterial blossom, bacterial bloom is a condition in which a sudden increase in the number of bacterial colonies occurs, specifically bacteria that are suspended in the water column. The bacteria grows so rapidly that collectively they become visible to the naked eye, causing the water to become milky/cloudy/hazy in appearance. This condition most often is seen in a newly started aquarium, but can also occur in a tank in which there is has been an increase in the nutrients in the water, particularly nitrates and phosphates. Excessive feeding of fish without cleaning the debris can also cause a sharp increase in nutrients that results in these blooms .
There are two types of bacteria at work in aquariums:
  • Autotrophic Bacteria: Bacteria capable of synthesizing its own food from inorganic substances, using light or chemical energy. The beneficial bacterias are autotrophs.
  • Heterotrophic Bacteria: Bacteria that cannot synthesize its own food and is dependent on complex organic substances for nutrition. The heterotrophs in the aquariums mineralize the organic waste (break down the uneaten food, fish waste, dead plant matter, etc. into ammonia).
It is more common that the heterotrophs are seen in bacterial blooms, not the trusted autotroph nitrifiers. It is the heterotrophs which are primarily responsible for creating the "bio-film" (slimy residue found on the tank walls and rocks. As the ammonia production increases due to the increased mineralization, the nitrifiers are slow to catch up and an ammonia spike occurs until the autotrophs reproduce enough to take care of it. Contrary to popular belief, bacterial blooms cause an ammonia spike, not the other way around.
It is unclear whether the autotrophic nitrifiers ever bloom into the water column or if they simply multiply too slowly to cause this effect.
Water changes will play a role as well as filter maintenance.

WHAT FILTER(S) ARE YOU USING ?
Seachem tidal 35
 
Oxygen levels are harder too keep up in a saltwater environment, get your self a protein skimmer for gas exchange if nothing else. Makes a great filter too. The Hang on the back (HOB) filter is only as good as the media inside. What is in there? Charcoal I would assume. Try chemi pure and definitely some media for bio filtration. But tanks that get away with no skimmer usually have some other means of gas exchange (usually a sump with water agitation via water falling and tumbling). A good skimmer is a better buy than two cheep ones that you will replace with a nice one in the end.
 
Oxygen levels are harder too keep up in a saltwater environment, get your self a protein skimmer for gas exchange if nothing else. Makes a great filter too. The Hang on the back (HOB) filter is only as good as the media inside. What is in there? Charcoal I would assume. Try chemi pure and definitely some media for bio filtration. But tanks that get away with no skimmer usually have some other means of gas exchange (usually a sump with water agitation via water falling and tumbling). A good skimmer is a better buy than two cheep ones that you will replace with a nice one in the end.
The Aquaclear 70 HOB is really cool for tanks with no integrated sump. It's big enough that you can make it your own mini sump with filter pads, chemipure or other chemical media and bio media like left over bits of rock if you have any. You can even hide a small heater in it.
 

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