Increasing temperature to beat Amphidinium Dino

[Willbiker]

Hi ! I've been battling Amphidinium dinos for months and ive added a uv, upped nutrients, dosed bacteria, added pods and I am seeing improvements however one thing I havent tried is a temperature increase. Ive read many success stories about increasing to 83F/28.3C and even a lot of stories about smaller increases to 81F/27.2C with good results. So I thought I would give it a go to see if it helps the situation, however I wanted to get your advice on how high to push it with fish and lps/sps and soft livestock.

I have a yellow tang, regal tang, clowns, yellow belly damsels, green chromis and a goby. I also have zoas, acropora, montipora, florida rics, hammers, candy canes, mushrooms, and leathers.

What temp would you say I can safely go? 80.5F / 27C?

I will raise very slowly. Thanks!

 

[Willbiker]

Bump!

 

[saltwaterpicaso]

i stirred my sand bed 2 times a day to kick it up and stopped everything esle the uv will take care of it keep it suspended and keep the tank stabile it will eventually pass i also blew my rocks off 2 times a day as well

 

[Willbiker]

Thanks for the reply. I have a 6 x 2 foot sand bed, I cant do it every day I have tried stirring but I found the dino just clumps strongly together. I'm happy to stick with the high nutrients and bacteria dosing as it is working...its just VERY slow. An experiment with temperature is worth a try so I just wondered what max temp I can go risk free.

Thanks

 

[Bfragale]

I’ve been running 82- dosing vibrant and added uv- for last 2 months. 90% of Dino’s is gone- but not all of it yet.

I have seen no I’ll effects from 82 degrees on any of my corals fish or inverts. I keep a mixed tank- softies/lps/sps.

 

[homer1475]

My reef in the summer climbs up to 83. Just make sure you have plenty or surface movement for gas exchange.

I wouldn't go higher then half a degree a day. Mine only climbs from 79 to 83 and back down again at night. Right now with the heat going I sit at 80.8. Never had an issue, but the tank doesn't stay at that high temp either.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I would not go above 80 as when temp increase, oxygen increases.
Factors for dino are phos and nitrate - check and verify your readings.
Prepare by starting with a water change and blow this stuff loose with a turkey baster and siphon up loose particles.
Turn lights off (at least white andd run bkue at 15%) for 5 days and at night dose 1ml of hydrogen peroxide per 10 gallons for all 5 nights
During the day dose 1ml of liquid bacteria (such as bacter 7) per 10 gallons.
Clean filters daily and DO NOT FEED CORAL FOODS OR ADD NOPOX as it is food for dinos.
Day 5,, you can start with blue lights - ramoing up and work your white lights up slowly

 

[Nick Steele]

Have you tried a blackout? I had Dino’s (osteoporosis I believe) and it wiped 90% out and helped me raise my nutrients and they have stayed up since and slowly they are going away I’m 2 weeks post blackout and tanks looking much better!

 

[piranhaman00]

No need, UV and blowing rocks done deal

 

[Willbiker]

I’ve been running 82- dosing vibrant and added uv- for last 2 months. 90% of Dino’s is gone- but not all of it yet.

I have seen no I’ll effects from 82 degrees on any of my corals fish or inverts. I keep a mixed tank- softies/lps/sps.

Fantastic to hear!! Tank looks epic!

 

[Willbiker]

No need, UV and blowing rocks done deal

I have it on the rocks but not so bad. Its worst on the sand. It clumps together so firmly that disturbing it doesn't seam to make it water bound .

 

[Flippers4pups]

Raised my temp to 80 and my five year battle with dinoflagellates came to a end. Tank temp has stayed at 80 degrees since.

As Vettguy said, with temperature increase, O2 levels decrease.

 

[Willbiker]

Raised my temp to 80 and my five year battle with dinoflagellates came to a end. Tank temp has stayed at 80 degrees since.

As Vettguy said, with temperature increase, O2 levels decrease.

Great to hear. How long did it take to clear up after the temp increase? And what type of dino did you have?

 

[Willbiker]

I've now added a 400lph air pump and 18 inch air stone to my sump plus I have lots of surface agitation. I'll go for 80 degrees and see how it goes for a couple of weeks.

 

[Willbiker]

Have you tried a blackout? I had Dino’s (osteoporosis I believe) and it wiped 90% out and helped me raise my nutrients and they have stayed up since and slowly they are going away I’m 2 weeks post blackout and tanks looking much better!

Good to hear. Did you cover fully with a sheet or just turned lights off?

 

[Nick Steele]

Good to hear. Did you cover fully with a sheet or just turned lights off?

I just kept the lights off. Also didn’t let the wife open the blinds as to keep it as dark as possible.


Also just a caution some corals won’t deal well with a blackout (sps mainly). I had two Millie frags that loss 20% and 80% tissue but they had tissue rescission before the blackout from the Dino’s are now recovering/growing. Another sps didn’t lose any more tissue but still hasn’t grown any yet.

 

[Aussiemarine]

Hi ! I've been battling Amphidinium dinos for months and ive added a uv, upped nutrients, dosed bacteria, added pods and I am seeing improvements however one thing I havent tried is a temperature increase. Ive read many success stories about increasing to 83F/28.3C and even a lot of stories about smaller increases to 81F/27.2C with good results. So I thought I would give it a go to see if it helps the situation, however I wanted to get your advice on how high to push it with fish and lps/sps and soft livestock.

I have a yellow tang, regal tang, clowns, yellow belly damsels, green chromis and a goby. I also have zoas, acropora, montipora, florida rics, hammers, candy canes, mushrooms, and leathers.

What temp would you say I can safely go? 80.5F / 27C?

I will raise very slowly. Thanks!

how did you go with raising the temp? I’m doing the same thing now

 

[Willbiker]

Unfortunately for me it did nothing.

 

[Aussiemarine]

Unfortunately for me it did nothing.

Hmm bugger - definitely not what I wanted to hear haha - do you have large cell? The stuff that stays in the sand?

 

[Willbiker]

Yes large cell. I'm clear of it now but it took 3 months to clear. Raised nutrients, uv (this probably did nothing but should help prevent it returning), white lights off, microbacter7 daily dosing, no water changes and no coral feeding. Thats what worked for me. The raised nutrients in my opinion is key. I monitored it daily to keep po4 above 0.1 and no3 above 10ppm. If you do this, I'm sure after a few months you will be clear of it.