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Saw this posted from a friend of mine who lives on the big island... :mad:
Infuriating
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Yeah that’s pretty heartbreaking. But the locals doing their thing is perceived differently than we “evil” hobbyists off the islands. To them they’d argue it’s like casting a line and catching a bluegill or perch.
I obviously don’t agree but that’s the double standard. They can kill these creatures lawmakers care so much about but we shouldn’t be allowed to keep them alive in our homes??
I obviously don’t agree but that’s the double standard. They can kill these creatures lawmakers care so much about but we shouldn’t be allowed to keep them alive in our homes??
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Its sickening. "EBT ACCEPTED" $11 !?!??!?!
omg I boiled inside when I saw this.
omg I boiled inside when I saw this.
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Gee... an island culture, harvesting sustenance from the seas. Huh.
They'd probably say the same thing to us as I say to the city dwellers berating me for harvesting deer, turkey, and rabbits from my woods. No, I can't say that kind of thing here... it's a family website.
Hawaii has recently taken away a valuable resource, being able to export fishes for the aquarium trade. The people who count on the sea to provide will continue to harvest from the sea... if they can't sell them (legally) to the aquarium trade, they'll sell them to the food markets.
They'd probably say the same thing to us as I say to the city dwellers berating me for harvesting deer, turkey, and rabbits from my woods. No, I can't say that kind of thing here... it's a family website.
Hawaii has recently taken away a valuable resource, being able to export fishes for the aquarium trade. The people who count on the sea to provide will continue to harvest from the sea... if they can't sell them (legally) to the aquarium trade, they'll sell them to the food markets.
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I completely understand your point of view... but deer are not currently under a ban from export for sales which created 30-50x the revenue from the same creatures. An export that keeps a majority of these specimens alive!
How are there not regulations on species banned from harvest/netting/slaughter?!?! my word I cant even swallow the idea that they are accepting EBT at $11 for fish that could be sold for Hundreds and they don't care but we cant have them available? What a complete contradiction... IMO
Flippers4pups
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The same thing can be said, completely understandable from our side of the world, about dogs for food. When organizations attempt to rescue or try through the legal system, they are pushed back and denounced.
It's nothing more than politics. What's right to us, is wrong elsewhere.
It's nothing more than politics. What's right to us, is wrong elsewhere.
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You can't always pick what bites your hook. From a fisherman's perspective, it's hardly be worthwhile to target small, thin bodied species like this, when the water is full of fishes much more appropriate for human consumption. I'm sure this was accidental bycatch.
Seems you're asking for MORE regulation... when it's regulation that caused the situation you're frustrated by. A regulation banned export of live fishes. More regulation, banning species from subsistence fishing, won't solve the problem.
Any time I hear the phrase 'there ought to be a law', I just cringe. No, thanks, we've got plenty.
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I suppose you are correct in the "eye for an eye" concept of not needing anymore laws and restrictions. Just having a bish fit over that fish for $11 EBT accepted. Sigh...
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The Hawaii ban is another example of creeping socialism: Anything not mandatory is forbidden.
Ok, get ready for a rant.
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Hmmm, as someone who lived on the Big Island for 5 years,
I think the aquarium ban is stupid.
Your whining about local people fishing is even more stupid.
Let me repeat that.
Your whining about local people fishing is even more stupid.
Reef fish are not my thing as a food source.
Ciguatera never did much for me.
Lol, but the same thing can be said about mercury in swordfish. (Which I love)
Try thinking of it as humane killing for sustenance verse long term (or short term!) torture of an animal.
How many people do you know that can really do justice to that animals living needs?
How many threads have you watched concerning "How many fish can I stuff in this tank?". (I have been an offender. Keeping too many smaller sized fish in a 75 gallon.)
"Whaddya mean the PBT and Sohal won't play nice together in my 120!?"
"Why not?"
On another thread, someone was complaining about the requirements you need to keep a venomous reptile verse paly's (and paly toxin) complete lack of requirements.
There are a number of hoops that you need to jump through to and adopt a rescue dog.
If you needed to jump through the same number of hoops to purchase a fish that requires a 180 gallon tank just to have a decent life in captivity, maybe we would have more of a leg to stand on when it comes to Snorkel Bob's emotional pleas to random, clueless, well meaning citizens who help our industry get banned.
Rant off.
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Hmmm, as someone who lived on the Big Island for 5 years,
I think the aquarium ban is stupid.
Your whining about local people fishing is even more stupid.
Let me repeat that.
Your whining about local people fishing is even more stupid.
Reef fish are not my thing as a food source.
Ciguatera never did much for me.
Lol, but the same thing can be said about mercury in swordfish. (Which I love)
Try thinking of it as humane killing for sustenance verse long term (or short term!) torture of an animal.
How many people do you know that can really do justice to that animals living needs?
How many threads have you watched concerning "How many fish can I stuff in this tank?". (I have been an offender. Keeping too many smaller sized fish in a 75 gallon.)
"Whaddya mean the PBT and Sohal won't play nice together in my 120!?"
"Why not?"
On another thread, someone was complaining about the requirements you need to keep a venomous reptile verse paly's (and paly toxin) complete lack of requirements.
There are a number of hoops that you need to jump through to and adopt a rescue dog.
If you needed to jump through the same number of hoops to purchase a fish that requires a 180 gallon tank just to have a decent life in captivity, maybe we would have more of a leg to stand on when it comes to Snorkel Bob's emotional pleas to random, clueless, well meaning citizens who help our industry get banned.
Rant off.
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I agree with this. Honestly when others start pointing fingers, then that's where the trouble starts.
For example, it's said time and time again that a LARGE and I mean overwhelmingly large (>70%) of total ornamental fish caught are lost from ocean to tank.
How is one photo, about exercising a right (freedom to do what you want, just like how we're doing what we want with aquariums) any different?
Fish don't feel pain. I'll also repeat this, fish do not have the capacity to feel neurological pain.
Sue me. This is literally just another example of something that's over-embelished to Garner support for a cause nobody can possible understand by one photo.
I've gotta disagree with you here, Greybeard ... Achilles tangs (Pakuikui in Hawai'ian) have long been a targeted species for spearfishermen - along with convict and kole tangs. Yellow tangs, for whatever reason, are not targeted for food:
