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Ya you missed alot lol and
That was funny right there thank you for alittle humor I needed that
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That was funny right there thank you for alittle humor I needed that
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Also never once have I said clay cause a tank crash
I said clay impacts the abilitie of filter feeders to feed and can cause disruptions in the bacterial colonys
This was my exact experience could not keep filter feeders at all and the coral I had never did all that well untill I switched to red sea
The other have put words in my mouth which is not ok
If you also take a look I have stated I know nothing about any other salt product
Just the io line and red sea line
And when going from io to red sea there was a world of difrence in my tank inhabitants
I said clay impacts the abilitie of filter feeders to feed and can cause disruptions in the bacterial colonys
This was my exact experience could not keep filter feeders at all and the coral I had never did all that well untill I switched to red sea
The other have put words in my mouth which is not ok
If you also take a look I have stated I know nothing about any other salt product
Just the io line and red sea line
And when going from io to red sea there was a world of difrence in my tank inhabitants
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homer1475
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And you claimed you had it tested. All we ask for is the proof of the test.
No personal attacks, just proof of what you said.
Your personal opinion, or experience aside, post this proof.
I can go find the thread and post that said you had IO lab tested, and it was in fact clay.
Then you went on a google tirade about some clay they used to spray on red tide. Yet this same clay is not found in IO(its a leftover product from manufacturing). Then showed that as proof that there is clay in IO, and this clay is bad for our reefs.
Your personal opinion is IO sucks, thats fine. But the thousands of us that use it will fight you ever step of the way.
No one personally attacked you, kind of why no posts were removed from said threads. What we did do was attack your assumption that IO has clay in it, and IO will cause detrimental effects to your tank.
If you can't see the difference between personal attacks, and attacking your claims, these forums might not be for you.
No personal attacks, just proof of what you said.
Your personal opinion, or experience aside, post this proof.
I can go find the thread and post that said you had IO lab tested, and it was in fact clay.
Then you went on a google tirade about some clay they used to spray on red tide. Yet this same clay is not found in IO(its a leftover product from manufacturing). Then showed that as proof that there is clay in IO, and this clay is bad for our reefs.
Your personal opinion is IO sucks, thats fine. But the thousands of us that use it will fight you ever step of the way.
No one personally attacked you, kind of why no posts were removed from said threads. What we did do was attack your assumption that IO has clay in it, and IO will cause detrimental effects to your tank.
If you can't see the difference between personal attacks, and attacking your claims, these forums might not be for you.
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So I get that you are not a fan of IO.
I use regular IO as my salt for both my display and frag system. I'm not a "fanboy" by any means, I simply use it because it's readily available, has an alk level this ok for my use, and fits my budget.
I did have an issue a few months ago. I did a water change on the frag tank, and the next morning all my lps had tissue sloughing off of them. I was able to save some, but not all. Can I say it was the salt that caused this, not definitively but I am leaning heavily toward it, since all I did was a water change.
homer1475
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Just found this in another thread you just posted in.....
That right there is opinion and your personal experience. No one will attack that statement because it's your experience with the product.
Now of you had gone back to the claim that IO has some form of clay in it, you would probably get attacked for that assumption without backing up the claim.
All anyone attacked you for is the unsubstantiated claims you make.
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Thank you for being a resanabke person even if you had never had a problem with it ever
The way you stated from personal use without attacking is so refreshing
I'm really sorry that happened hopefully they recover and what ever happened does not happen ever again even if you stay with io
I hope you get all the good buckets of io
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See thats where the problem is I did say io has clay in it from personal experience I even sent it to 3 labs to see what was going on
This is all I said and got attacked its not unsubstantiated
It's a fact I have personally had happen
Has everyone had this happen probly not but the fact is all salt mixes have some clay
And ime io has more then normal
This agin is a personal experience it does not invite an attack
You can share your own personal experience to add to the conversation without attacking someone but saying someones personal use experience didn't happen is just plain ignorant hateful and dismissive
And adds 0 to the conversation
Why do I have to prove what happened when the 100s of other users on here that have said somthing similar neither had to prove what they said nor gets attacked for posting a personal experience
This is a pattern people don't like that I point out flaws and have no loyalty to any one product enless it works
If I ever had a problem with red sea I would for sure post about that also
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Your failing to miss the point.
"Had it lab tested". Your exact words, not ours.
Thats not personal experience. Thats claiming you have tests to prove it's clay, and all salts have clay in them.
Thats not experience but scientific claims(since you said you had it tested). SHOW US THE PROOF. No one can show proof of personal experience, but when you say you had something tested, then that is scientific proof, yet you can't or won't provide that proof.
Simple as that.
Not one single person in any thread you have been a part of, as personally attacked you. If you feel that way, then this obviously is not the place for you, and I'm sorry you feel that way.
"Had it lab tested". Your exact words, not ours.
Thats not personal experience. Thats claiming you have tests to prove it's clay, and all salts have clay in them.
Thats not experience but scientific claims(since you said you had it tested). SHOW US THE PROOF. No one can show proof of personal experience, but when you say you had something tested, then that is scientific proof, yet you can't or won't provide that proof.
Simple as that.
Not one single person in any thread you have been a part of, as personally attacked you. If you feel that way, then this obviously is not the place for you, and I'm sorry you feel that way.
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Also I will point out that all this started becouse someone else asked what the brown crud was and was considering switch
I awnsered ime io had alot of clay in it that's most likely the brown crud I use Red Sea and have not had a problem after the switch a d in fact everything is doing alot better over the last 2 years after 10 of io
Then que the fan boys attacking me saying io can't possibly have clay in it
Go do some research every natural Salt mix has some clay in it including red sea
I awnsered ime io had alot of clay in it that's most likely the brown crud I use Red Sea and have not had a problem after the switch a d in fact everything is doing alot better over the last 2 years after 10 of io
Then que the fan boys attacking me saying io can't possibly have clay in it
Go do some research every natural Salt mix has some clay in it including red sea
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So you expect me to have test results from over 2 years ago
What a joke
And I don't need to prove a thing
I am simply stating what I have found this does not invite an attack
No one should ever attack someone over somthing they disagree with
And I could say the same prove to me it absolutely does not have any clay in it at all
And on top of this if any of you would take a look around you would see I'm not the only one who has found alot of clay in io
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You stated:
"All none lab created salt mixes have some clay in them period"
Is that still your opinion?
homer1475
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Might want to go reread that thread......
My recollection is much different then yours.
You never said IMO or IME(In My Opinion/In My Experience) . What you did claim was you had it lab tested, and the lab test resulted in the brown crud being clay. Then we asked for proof of these lab tests.
You then went on a google tirade about some form of clay used in an experiment on red tide. Yet had nothing to do with any form of clay that might or might not be in IO.
My recollection is much different then yours.
You never said IMO or IME(In My Opinion/In My Experience) . What you did claim was you had it lab tested, and the lab test resulted in the brown crud being clay. Then we asked for proof of these lab tests.
You then went on a google tirade about some form of clay used in an experiment on red tide. Yet had nothing to do with any form of clay that might or might not be in IO.
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Yes it is
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Here's a report on several salt mixes and there effects on sensitive things along with what they contain
homer1475
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Your exact quote from said thread....
Now all salts have clay in them, yet red sea doesn't? Then explain this statement:
So which is it? Red Sea doesn't have clay in it, or does it?
See not personal attacks one bit, attacking your wildish claims.
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I have been aware of this clay discussion for decades.
As far as I know, all of the discussion is random folks saying something about the grunge in Reef Crystals. No One EVER analyzing for and finding clay.
Let's explore more deeply and try to understand why I think it is not clay (aside from being told by the manufacturer that it contains no anticaking agents).
Aquarium Systems makes both normal IO and Reef Crystals.
Normal IO shows none of the brown grundge that Reef Crystals shows. Quite a few folks have shown that IO can dissolve precipitate free just by adding some acid to reduce alk and pH (because they like lower alk). Brute cans of IO made this way as pristine clear. No signs of clay.
What is different about normal IO and RC that might explain the difference?
It is possible that Aquarium Systems adds clay to RC (despite saying they do not), but there are other clearly known differences, such as the vitamins and metal chelators in Reef Crystals. I suspect the brown grundge relates to these additives, but cannot prove it. Aqueous solutions of vitamins are often brownish simply due to the nature of the vitamins absorbing light and many vitamins are poorly soluble in water. Hence the potential to precipitate a brownish material.
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No one ever needs to prove anything. This is a hobby. Have fun.
But if you want folks to believe a statement that you make, you may need to provide some reason you think it.
