is 1 day and a half enough for prazi to work??

[sensei]

I have experienced that several fish stop eating after dosing prazi even if water is very weel aerated, so now I am dosing prazi for 1 and a half day in my 2nd and 4th TTM.

would it be enough to treat for flukes??
Thanks

 

[Labridaedicted]

I would advise 3 days minimum for prazi to fully run it's course.

 

[USMC 4 LIFE]

I have experienced that several fish stop eating after dosing prazi even if water is very weel aerated, so now I am dosing prazi for 1 and a half day in my 2nd and 4th TTM.

would it be enough to treat for flukes??
Thanks

36 hours is enough

The medication only needs 24 hours to be effective and if I remember correctly, it’s only actively killing flukes for 48 hours.

 

[Humblefish]

The medication only needs 24 hours to be effective and if I remember correctly, it’s only actively killing flukes for 48 hours.

+1 In actuality, prazi does its job in a matter of hours - causing flukes to spasm on the fish and then dislodge from the host. Sometimes this happens almost instantaneously, which is why a fish loaded with flukes will start twitching immediately after dosing Prazipro.

However to play it safe, I advise leaving your fish in prazi for at least 24 hrs before removing the medication.

 

[sensei]

Thanks

another question:

I have been dosing 2 times 4 days apart of first dose. but I have seen coments were people recomend 5 - 7 days after the first dose.
What would you recomend?

2 doses are enough?

thanks again

 

[dealseer]

I would advise 3 days minimum for prazi to fully run it's course.

This is quite different from what I thought. I had been operating with the belief that Prazipro would do 90% of its work in 6-12 hours.

 

[Labridaedicted]

This is quite different from what I thought. I had been operating with the belief that Prazipro would do 90% of its work in 6-12 hours.

That seems to be the consensus on here, I suppose I'm just over cautious. I think most of the prazi becomes inactive by day 3 so i always made sure they got the full effect.


I also do other treatments than ttm for ich, so I've never been forced to forgo the full treatment of prazi.

 

[Humblefish]

Use this calculator to figure out when is the best time to redose: http://www.marineparasites.com/paratreatmentcal.html

 

[sensei]

Thanks Humble,
interesting calculator
I have never monitored temp while dosing prazi.
I live in a tropical country and I have my quarentine tanks in a little room in the garden; there is no AC
I do not keep a termometer in tanks becuase of the risk of cysts and a temp in the room would not give the right temp becuase temp goes down at night and it influences the temp of water in qt tanks
I am not sure if should just dose prazi 3 times to be on the safe side or what do you sugest in terms of how to monitor temp to be able to use calc you sugested??

thanks again

 

[Humblefish]

I do not keep a termometer in tanks becuase of the risk of cysts and a temp in the room would not give the right temp becuase temp goes down at night and it influences the temp of water in qt tanks
I am not sure if should just dose prazi 3 times to be on the safe side or what do you sugest in terms of how to monitor temp to be able to use calc you sugested??

Tomonts could encyst upon a glass or plastic thermometer just as easily as they could the glass in your tank or plastic equipment you are using. I suggest monitoring and controlling temperature in your QT because that can greatly influence whether or not you achieve a successful outcome.

In lieu of using the calculator, redosing after 5-7 days is the norm with Prazipro. Not a bad idea to use prazi 3 times if you feel something might have been missed IMO.

 

[sensei]

Would you monitor the temp in the room and assume that the qt tank is at room temperature??
the temp would only be used for using the calc to dose prazi? or how can I use the temp info to influence my decition on other treatments?

3.- I have treated more than 75 fish, I have always used prazi two times in 2nd TTM and in 4th TTM but I have never seen flukes.
I am not sure if they are invisible in salt water or if I have been lucky not to have any in all the fish I have treated.
would I see the flukes in the bottom of the tank once they fall of a fish with prazi treatment??


Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us Humble,
I used to post in fish disease forum of another web site, and I many times I was NOT satisfied but now I am only post in R2R becuase I really learn with your answers.
Thanks professor!

 

[Humblefish]

@sensei First off, thank you for the compliments. Now on to answering your questions:

1. I would monitor water temperature directly via an inexpensive aquarium thermometer. Fluctuating temperature stresses a fish out and can greatly impact their immune system (and overall health.) In addition, higher temperature decreases available oxygen in the aquarium and increases metabolic demands on the fish. Those are two things you don't want when treating sick fish with medications. I maintain 75F in my QTs, but most importantly I aim to keep the temp stable at all times.

2. You usually only see flukes when they are exposed to freshwater, because they turn white:

In saltwater they are more difficult to see, except on dark colored fish:

 

[Humblefish]

If you haven't already, check out this video by @melypr1985 showing flukes dislodging during a FW dip:

 

[sensei]

Thanks a lot Humble,

I was going to ask you about fresh water dips and you were ahead of me again...
after looking at the video I want to ask your opinion about fresh water dips.
I have never done one, I always do prazi in 2nd and 4th TTM, would it be good to incorporate fresh water dips as a qt rutine for all new fish?
I though fresh water dips were harsh on fish?
do your preffer prazi or fresh water dips or they are both complementary in someway??

thanks again

 

[Humblefish]

@sensei I only use a FW dip as a diagnostic tool (to check for flukes) or to provide temporary relief of velvet, brook, uronema. It’s not a part of my normal QT repertoire.

 

[sensei]

Thanks a lot humble fish!

 

[sensei]

+1 In actuality, prazi does its job in a matter of hours - causing flukes to spasm on the fish and then dislodge from the host. Sometimes this happens almost instantaneously, which is why a fish loaded with flukes will start twitching immediately after dosing Prazipro.

However to play it safe, I advise leaving your fish in prazi for at least 24 hrs before removing the medication.

Humblefish,

I just dosed prazi to two Heniochus Black & White Butterflyfish, and they both started twitching after the dose.
The twitching efect is a reaction of the fish to dislodge flukes correct?
Would FLUKES become opaque with prazi? is it possible to see them after dosing prazi?

Thanks

 

[Humblefish]

I just dosed prazi to two Heniochus Black & White Butterflyfish, and they both started twitching after the dose.
The twitching efect is a reaction of the fish to dislodge flukes correct?
Would FLUKES become opaque with prazi? is it possible to see them after dosing prazi?

Typically, fish with flukes twitch after dosing prazi. However, butterflies can be a bit tricky because they will also twitch their head in anticipation of food.

Flukes only become opaque when exposed to FW. In SW, they are translucent regardless of whether prazi is in the water or not. So, you would normally only see them on a dark colored fish (like below).

 

[sensei]

understood, thanks a lot