Is It a Fine Line?

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Now I'm very new to this, so I was looking for some experienced opinions.

Is there a fine line between letting an issue run its course and working fast to fix an issue? I'd really like to know how often a newer hobbyist thinks they have an issue, throws a bunch of chemicals in their tank and hurt it even worse. I have seen a few thread on here and other forums where people jump the gun and start messing with their tank when their new coral doesn't fully open after a day. On the other hand, maybe it is a bigger issue that needs fast action in order to save a fish or coral.

I also see a lot of experienced people asking a TON of questions before diagnosing an issue, which I probably answered my own question here, but maybe some things need to run their course before you change anything and the line of questioning determines whether to just sit tight or jump into action.

I'd really like to hear your experiences of how you let something fix itself or maybe how you took fast action to solve an issue. Also, any horror stories from new people just starting where you maybe acted to hastefully and it had negative effects?
 
I am a firm believer in biodiversity for a saltwater aquarium. Real live rock from the ocean, macro algeas, sponges, crabs, pods, ect. This is what I do first before even thinking about fish. I try to wait at least 3 to 6 months before the fish go in. I like to build up the corals and related inverts first if I can...then fish. Never had success with dead dry rock as the base. Mature ecosystems are better for the fish and corals. I am sure someone else has a opinion to share and I am all wrong lol.

Stability is very important for marine systems. Constantly messing about is the reason so many tanks end up for sale cheap with the words "getting out of the hobby". Patience is a virtue in this hobby.

Wish you well on your quest for the holy grail of marine tank keeping.


Check out "Tank birthday, 47+ years" by one of your fellow New Yorker Paul B on this forum. Lots of good advice from one of the older salts that inhabit this forum.
 
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This hobby has become so complicated. I tend to take the least intrusive path.

Google Berlin Method of reef keeping.

As mentioned patience is key.

If you have normal SW values, flow and decent lighting you should be good to go.

Some awesome hobbyist tinker, they love the mechanics. Most new hobbyist over think the topic and buy into every product and new piece of equipment.
 
I try to keep to simple.
Live rock, skimmer, filter sock, carx, currenly T5, plenty of flow, bare bottom.
Currently running a no water change system with very good results.
I dose trace elements.
Lots of coralline growing = stability and corals growing.
Only feed fish not the corals,
currently 4 times a day.
Did I mention "Stability"
 
I love all the input on this and knowing I’m not alone in simple reefing with great results.

I think for the beginner hobbyist one of the biggest mistakes is over testing then not knowing 100% how to interpret the results. It leads to a lot of tail chasing and causing further issues. Slow and steady, allow nature to run it’s course before intervening.
 
Disaster happens fast, the cure happens slowly for the most part.

In answer to your multi part questions.
Before you react you MUST know WHAT your reacting to.
Some things like Velvet need immediate if not sooner action.
Velvet will kill your fish in a matter of hours after you see the fish in distress.
Chemical imbalances are better to correct over time.
Say your auto top off was stuck on and your salinity dropped from .026 down to .020.
Dont do a 90% water change to zap it back to .026.
Take your time and bring the salinity back up over two or three days.

But in the end the baseline anser is dont panic. Find the cause, then find the APPROPRIATE SOLUTION.
 
No disrespect to PaulB but one tank is not an example of the best methods, most hobbyist can not replicate the specifics of such a tank. Many long term hobbyist expand their experience with multiple types of aquariums.
 
All problems are relative, but I think in general it’s best to make a course correction right away. For example, if you get cyano, it’s pretty clear that you need to make a change, even though that might not be to dump chemi clean in the tank.

personally, my largest issue so far was discovering that bryopsis had gotten into my tank. Rather than try and fight it manually, I dosed Fluconazole immediately. Maybe others would have responded differently, but my tank is now free of bryopsis.
 
I'm a fan of letting nature run its course but you can certainly help it along. My tank is 2-1/2 yrs old and I'm really happy. The only chemical to enter my system other than adjusting water params is Aiptasia X and that didn't even solve the problem. I've had most common pests and algae. Many are still in there I'm sure but held in check with diversity of life and quality water.
 
This is actually a hard question. How does a new Reefer know when to make that fast action change? So many bad “fables” out there. Like “my anemone spawned and crashed my tank“. Um, NO. That will not crash your tank. But there will be posts saying it did.

Water changes will only be bad if your NO3/PO4 levels are low and the cause of the issue. So if you panic, do a water change. Will only be bad if your NO3/ PO4 levels are low and the cause or secondary cause.

So how do you, as a new Reefer, combat the “what the heck”?

First, keep a log of all parameter; CA, ALK, MAG, SG, Temp, NO3, PO4, Ph, water changes, corrective steps, light changes, etc. Nothing hard, simple spreadsheet. In the comments I note things like “flu” to remind me that my attention was away from the tank that week. Or “added corals” to note that I added new corals So ALK and CA consumption will/should increase. Just a simple note of what changed that week. When an issue comes up I can refer back and see if any changes were made. Most of the time I realize I made a boneheaded move and already know the corrective action needed. If not I Google the issue like crazy. Then and only then do I ask questions on the forum.

Now the big issue.. Who to believe. Most semi-newbies will be quick to respond with “end of days” radical fixes and changes. You, as the owner of your reef have to weed through the answers and make the correct call. To make the help most beneficial, post all your parameters. Give the best info on parameters and post pics. Give the forum the best opportunity to help and support you. Do not rely on “highest number of posts”. Post volume does not equal intelligence.
 
There is no easy answer sorry. Overall you are better moving slowly as unless you have a very good idea about what you are dealing with and how to address it, you are more likely to cause issues by rushing than not.

Some issues do need immediate action however. If you are confident you know what the issue is and have a good idea how to address it, do it straight away. If not seek advice and move more slowly.

12 months ago I noticed my clowns both had white eye. I was fairly sure what I was dealing with so I immediately fired up my QT and 24 hours later moved them in and treated with antibiotics. 2 weeks later one was ok, 2 more weeks and the other was so back into the DT they went. Still going strong.

On the other hand I can’t keep SPS alive in my current tank. Fish, softies and LPS are going great guns. As I have no idea what the issue with the SPS is I am moving very slowly. I certainly don‘t want to try something at random and cause the softies, LPS or fish issues.

Good luck!
 
No disrespect to PaulB but one tank is not an example of the best methods

I agree and hate that guy. I am not even speaking to him. :rolleyes:

For some reason a lot of people don't realize that I was a Noob longer than most people here and had all the problems many times, and tried every "remedy or cure", not just once.

I cringe when I hear someone is going to put antibiotics in their tank because I know that is near the end of their hobby experience.
I also cringe when I read of a fish with a spot and the owner tries to catch the poor creature and remove it to "help" it.

I killed more fish than Star Kist Tuna. :cool: So I may know some things that some people are struggling with.
Virtually everything I learned was the hard way way before the internet, way before all the opinions.

I used to quarantine, I dosed copper, formalin, "Red Slime Remover and Chemi Clean" maybe a dozen times.

Those things always worked but is it the best thing to do? The answer is Sometimes, maybe. ;Bucktooth

The problem is that those chemicals will always affect how the bacteria operate and not usually in a good way which is why that is many times the beginning of the end of the hobby for many people.

I don't come up with this stuff because I want your tank to crash.

I moved my tank here to my new home a year and a half ago. I had to wash most of my gravel for the move because my UG filter accumulated so much mud that was mixed with my gravel that I couldn't put it in my tank or you couldn't see anything. Most of my gravel I washed in fresh water because I had no sink or sewer near my tank when I moved.

I also didn't have any seawater or enough ASW so I couldn't rinse anything in that.
My rocks got cold because I didn't even have electricity except for one 15 amp outlet 20 feet from my tank.

It was almost like setting up a new tank except that I did keep my corals and a decent part of my rock stayed underwater and almost warm.

But in that year and a half, my tank exploded with life just from what was in my remaining rock.

Here in this new place I can't find hardly any amphipods . I only added some mud maybe twice from a bay but that is only for bacteria for water conditions and I am not even sure if it does anything.

I have to diatom filter my NSW because I take it from the surf and it is full of sand and chopped up seaweed so it is not clear and looks more like Half and Half.

I vehemently feel that the vast majority of problems people have with their tanks is caused by them.

It is just the nature of the beast because of to many opinions. Most of which come from Noobs with little experience or experience from one of two episodes with that issue or fish.

I had no one to ask and I think I was better off. I tried something, it didn't work, then I bought another fish and tried something else. Eventually I figured it out and now know exactly what to do in every instance. But the most important thing I learned was to do very little if anything for most things.

If you stay in this hobby long enough (5 years is not long enough) You will learn that everything comes and goes in cycles just as it does in nature.

When I was a kid in the cretaceous period, I used to go fishing a lot.
90% of the fish I caught were blowfish with a few sand sharks.

Over the years the blowfish were replaced by flounders, bergalls, porgies and now sea robins. Those other fish, in the places I fished are totally gone.

Where did they go?

I also used to SCUBA dive for lobsters almost every week and used to get my limit every dive.
Then all of a sudden, they were gone with not one lobster to be found. Why not?

I doubt anything we could have done would have kept those species here and I also doubt anything you do to your tank will effect those cycles much.

I do know that they are normal and natural so if your tank "wants" to grow hair algae, it will grow just like cyano will grow. It has nothing to do with pollution, lighting, flow, or nutrients as it grows in all tanks including mine.

It will leave as it always after this cycle that I have no control over.
This is the Crux of the problem in this hobby.

WE don't have quick fixes, nature doesn't work that way, if it did, I would have hair. :rolleyes:

Look at this hair algae I had maybe 25 years ago. Most people would have dumped out their tank and got a job in Home Depot demonstrating the leaf blowers in the parking lot.



I almost did that myself, but instead, I did nothing. I realized after much frustration that hair algae is the absolute best water purifier, conditioner and not a disease.

After it left on it's own with no help from me, the tank ran with no problems for years, it still does and I still have that fireclown in the picture.

I then started to realize that much of the things we perceive as a problem is actually a healthy, normal, natural thing.
 
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Nothing beats experience. Try, fail, learn and don’t repeat mistakes. Every reefer has different ways to approach problems. Ask a question and you’ll get a million different answers. I’ve killed enough corals and fish to know better.
 

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