is it heat pack time now?

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im thinking it is..at least for me..
i am in Michigan and it is about 50ish degrees here
what is the cutoff temp for using a heatpack......if the package were going to a warm state i would prob not use one but if it is going somewhere >60 degress i am thinking i should...

i have a few packages going out this week..so just wondering
 
Maybe just use a 10 hour small heat pack if shipping to southern states. At least that will cover the time it spends here in MI, and on the plane ride over to where ever your shipping.
 
Maybe just use a 10 hour small heat pack if shipping to southern states. At least that will cover the time it spends here in MI, and on the plane ride over to where ever your shipping.


yeah that sounds good...can't believe it got so cold so fast..2 weeks ago a heat pack wasn't even a consideration..
 
Maybe just use a 10 hour small heat pack if shipping to southern states. At least that will cover the time it spends here in MI, and on the plane ride over to where ever your shipping.

No dont use those. They put out alot of heat and will get things to hot. The higher hr ones put out less heat for a longer time.
 
From what I've read the heat pack will peak at it's half life. So a 12 hour pack will be warmest at 6 hrs. So if shipping from cold to warm, activate the pack 6 hours in advance, that way it will be getting cooler as it heads to warmer temps. Warm to cold is a little harder...
 
if it wasn't for living up north for 18 years...i wouldn't believe it was cold out. LOL its 93 today down here in sunny ft lauderdale. makes shipping tricky!
 
I think if you have a good insulated container, using Uline's styro boxes, then you should not have to use heat or ice right now. Whenever I ship out corals, I always double or triple bag, and use nothing less than a one inch styro lined box with the lid of the styro taped(sealed) to the bottom part. That will maintain temps for a while, especially if you use a good overnight service. I dot not ship to the west coast often though due to shipping cost and length of time. But I think spring and fall are the best times to ship, more normal temps without extremes.
 
All depends on where you are. There are places I'm still using cool packs.

Now, for me, being I've got the same frigid weather here in MN as you, it might be good to use a small heat pack--set apart from the coral a ways--when you ship to me. Personally, if I had my choice, I'd probably be using one of those 20-24 hour heat packs from there to here.
 
Many people have a false impression about the use of heat packs when shipping coral frags. Heat packs consist of iron powder, charcoal, salt, vermiculite, and water. They generate heat via the oxidation (rusting) process. This can only occur in the presence of oxygen. I ship frags in a cardboard box with all the edges taped shut. Inside the cardboard is a plastic trash bag to prevent any leakage that may get the box soggy and Styrofoam pieces cut to fit inside the box for insulation. There is no way oxygen from outside the box can enter once it is sealed. Once the heat pack consumes the oxygen that was in the box when it was sealed it cools off. That’s the simple truth.

Heat packs are available ranging from the 6 hour hand warmers to some that will last up to 30 hours. I think the ratio of ingredients is how this is achieved. The hand warmers get hotter than the long lasting ones. This is absolutely not what we want when shipping frags. These things can get over 110 degrees. I always use the longest lasting ones I can find. I conducted tests on two boxes containing bags of water packed like I pack them to ship. One box had one of the commercially available heat packs sold for shipping livestock and the other had a long lasting heat pack from WalMart. Each box had a digital thermometer inserted through the side so I could monitor the temperature. I kept a log of the temps for 24 hours. I moved them from inside to outside and then back in. Within an hour of being packed both started cooling off to ambient temperature. There was no difference.

Heat packs would be ideal for shipping something like reptiles where there would be air exchange between inside and outside. The best protection for coral is a well insulated box that prevents air exchange with the outside and having the box held at FedEx for pickup. Heat packs help on the front end. They're pretty well spent by the time the pack leaves Memphis.

Sometimes the people I ship frags to tell me that “the heat pack was still warmâ€. I ask them if they checked it as soon as they opened the box. Invariably they opened the box and laid the lid aside, picked up the bags and admired their new frags, and began the acclimation procedure. Some time later they start to clean up the shipping supplies and notice the heat pack. They feel it and “it’s still warm!†Nope, it’s “warm again†after being exposed to oxygen.
 
Good info Harry, thanks. The heat packs from Walmart...are they hand warmers or heat packs for injuries, ie hot/cold compress?
 
Harry is exactly correct. This is why I've had to talk to a few shippers in the past who sent me shipments that were cold despite having heat packs. They sent solid styro boxes (not the pieced-together ones), which is fine, but then they taped all edges completely, sealing the box and heat pack, and thus, as Harry said, eliminating the heat pack's source for new oxygen.

Those heat packs can work just fine if given a small source of air. Reptiles and other small animals do just fine with these, despite being more exposed to outside air, because the heat packs react with this incoming air. In our case, the frags won't be suffering from a lack of oxygen. What I usually do is only tape the main seam of my boxes to ensure it's not coming apart. I'll even double tape it with overlapping layers. This still leaves opportunity for air to enter in small amounts. If I'm not using sheet styro, but a solid extruded box instead, I will poke a small hole (1/2") in the top of the styro lid, and I then tape the heat pack directly over this hole, so that all air entering must go through this heat pack. I also never tape the styro lid down. The pressure fit of the cardboard box is enough to hold the lid on. The heat pack should always be secured to the top, so the corals aren't sitting on the heat pack as the heat rises. I also often put a layer of newspaper or cardboard inside the box to creae a barrier between the heat pack and the corals. This helps to dissipate the heat in the box a little more indirectly.

For what it's worth, I use massive amounts of heat packs for shipping freshwater fish I breed and sell. The heat packs are much more necessary for the fish, and have to be reliable. For corals it's not as big a concern. I've had plenty of packages come in with mid 50's water and they were fine. Not so with fish. I prefer the uniheat brand and I use the 40hr and 60hr heat packs.
 
Good info Harry, thanks. The heat packs from Walmart...are they hand warmers or heat packs for injuries, ie hot/cold compress?

They're in the sporting goods section. They are intended for hunters and Friday night football games and such. Don't get the 6 or 8 hour kind, they will probably kill the corals because they get so hot. If you were sitting in a tree stand in freezing weather they would feel good but not in a box of coral frags. They will also have some 36 - 40 hour. That's what you want.
 
If I'm not using sheet styro, but a solid extruded box instead, I will poke a small hole (1/2") in the top of the styro lid, and I then tape the heat pack directly over this hole, so that all air entering must go through this heat pack.

OK, I will be shipping some corals this week in somewhat cold weather (to AL). I use the solid styro boxes. So....what's better, the method described above, or simply just completely sealing up the box to keep the temp where it is when first packed? It will be fedex O/N priority by 10:30am...
 
If you use solid boxes, I would also poke a hole in the box right by the heat pack to give the heat pack some air to actually heat up. Depending on the weather and size of box don't be afraid to use multiple heat packs as well.
 
If you use solid boxes, I would also poke a hole in the box right by the heat pack to give the heat pack some air to actually heat up. Depending on the weather and size of box don't be afraid to use multiple heat packs as well.

I guess that's my question... is the hole for the air enough to let the heat pack work while still small enough to keep from being like opening a window on an airplane? :nerd:
 
Poke a small hole. I did this with a trade I did last week and the reciever of the pack said the water temp was 73 degrees when he got it.
 

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