Is it ok to add ammonia??

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Im setting up my first tank! and its pretty foggy from pouring the water in and im assuming some salt still, i have a powerhead going to mix up the salt and am fine waiting a couple of days for the rest of the sand to settle... But is it ok to add live bacteria and ammonia to the tank when its cloudy like that? thanks guys
 
You had me scared for a second lol. I thought from the title you were literally just going to pour ammonia into your tank. Anyways that's fine to put it in now. What are you using to add ammonia to the tank?
 
Im setting up my first tank! and its pretty foggy from pouring the water in and im assuming some salt still, i have a powerhead going to mix up the salt and am fine waiting a couple of days for the rest of the sand to settle... But is it ok to add live bacteria and ammonia to the tank when its cloudy like that? thanks guys
Yes as long as it's pure ammonia with no contaminants
 
Old Fritz and Oscaror said just what I was gonna say, so I'll mention something else:
If the sand created such a bad dust storm you might consider rinsing it. Opinions differ, but I like to get all those super fines rinsed out.
 
Old Fritz and Oscaror said just what I was gonna say, so I'll mention something else:
If the sand created such a bad dust storm you might consider rinsing it. Opinions differ, but I like to get all those super fines rinsed out.
If i leave the tank with no flow for a couple days it should still settle though right?
 
You had me scared for a second lol. I thought from the title you were literally just going to pour ammonia into your tank. Anyways that's fine to put it in now. What are you using to add ammonia to the tank?
I went to ACE but they didnt have pure ammonia and i cant get it anywhere near me. Except i have shrimp, so I'm just going to go with the shrimp method, i figured if i threw 2 smaller shrimp in tonight and let it "breal down" to first then next day add live bacteria? or is adding it same time with the shrimp ok too? I also have 2 bottles of Fritz Turbo start its says each bottle is good for up to 25G (i have 20) could i pour both bottles in for extra live bacteria for a somewhat better bio filtration? or is that much live bacteria noth worth adding now? i mean i bought it and im not going to use it for anything else.
 
add the shrimp with the bacteria. Be careful adding all that live bacteria, some brands can be overdosed, but I dont think fritz turbo can.
 
In any thread asking about bottle bac and ammonia, advisors must ask if you are using live rock from a pet store that is already cycled, and doesn't need re work, or dry rocks which legit need ammonia and bac. What kind is your rock

If you currently are sand only, you'd wait to choose ammonia or bac based on the kind of rock you are getting

Once cycled, rocks never uncycle if they're merely kept wet, which is why moving from a pet store to home doesn't kill live rock. If anything, xferred live rock emits ammonia so we certainly wouldn't add any...the leak isn't from dead bac, it's from dead worms temporarily overcoming bac which are just fine (or it's a misreading ammonia test) but if you simply take live rock home wet then nothing dies including worms.
 
In any thread asking about bottle bac and ammonia, advisors must ask if you are using live rock from a pet store that is already cycled, and doesn't need re work, or dry rocks which legit need ammonia and bac. What kind is your rock

If you currently are sand only, you'd wait to choose ammonia or bac based on the kind of rock you are getting

Once cycled, rocks never uncycle if they're merely kept wet, which is why moving from a pet store to home doesn't kill live rock. If anything, xferred live rock emits ammonia so we certainly wouldn't add any...the leak isn't from dead bac, it's from dead worms temporarily overcoming bac which are just fine (or it's a misreading ammonia test) but if you simply take live rock home wet then nothing dies including worms.
Im using about 20 lbs of live rock and 20lbs of live sand in my 20g tank
 
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Hey can you post pics I wanted to use your example in another thread after we see if the living portions of the rock have the classic visual clues... Coralline, fanworms, pods possibly etc
 
Here's something pretty neat, few are willing to use their own $ to make examples like this

The reason I drained my twelve year coral-packed nano completely empty of water for half an hour is to reveal truths about bacteria.

If I had to guess, where you got your live rock is less than a half hours drive back to your tank. This means if you stacked your rock in the trunk and didn't even hydrate them, the whole bio system simply awaits being put in a new tank elsewhere. Corals too :)
While it's true occasionally a large worm like a eunicid worm could die inside, I don't have one of those and in no case will anyone's bacteria ever die upon tank transfer. People normally keep their live rock wet upon transfer to home, in that case the occasional large worm will be fine.


If I had to estimate how many times I drained my tank for half an hour = 200. All rock is like this. I still have sponges, pods, mini brittle stars, the normal live rock complement.

So that means bacteria don't need us to consider them once a cycle is deemed complete (for live rocks to be deemed live, that cycle was completed elsewhere) and the reason that's handy is because it prevents you from making unneeded purchases and actions that will lead to algae invasion challenges soon. it means you can access your reef to clean it, to guide out early invasions durectly, not just through the water. I let my system cake up with cyano in vid #1 and then demod how to undo it.

Twelve hours later

If small reef tanks can be easily drained like that with not much fanfare, and every corner of the tank made accessible outside of water, how can that affect tank invasion options? If you can drain a reef and not kill it (though 30 mins not required, I did that to show bac strength) then you can clean your invaders out, and not kill the bacteria or the system. Being able to deep access your tank to hand guide/garden it directly, not just through the water, is the best trick ever.
 
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