"Is The Hobby Justifiable?"

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Of course, there is no 'right' answer. Whether anything is justifiable is a function of the priorities and biases of whomever is doing the asking .... and being asked. Frankly its the wrong question. Most hobbies, including sports, would fail to meet the 'justifiable' standard given the consumption of resources. The better question is whether the reef hobby is sustainable or not - really the same question that is asked of the food fishing industry (though, of course, that's on a whole different scale). Sustainability has come to be synonymous with the environment, and that's a factor, but ultimately sustainability is about whether an activity, any activity, will deplete its attendant resources to the point were those resources will be permanently injured. So, does our hobby unsustainable deplete naturally occurring stocks of fish, corals or other invertebrates (on a broader level, the ethics of whether we should be collecting those animals is irrelevant - nature simply doesn't care about individuals, is the species survival that is important)? Certainly as hobbyists, we should decry certain practices. I will not knowingly buy a fish from an area that is known to still employ cyanide, for example.

So, is our hobby sustainable? I'd argue in and of itself, yes, it is sustainable. Trouble is that it is no longer possible to separate the impact of our hobby from that of the cruise industry, or acid rain, or warming oceans. Natural reefs are declining, and should be protected. I'd support legislation to prohibit the collection of any species that is considered to be threatened or endangered, but for that legislation to also prevent resourceful hobbyists from propagating and then selling small frags seems foolish. That is what, as an industry, we should be objecting to, and asking for common sense in the legislation.
 
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With Caitlin, Ret and Rich it will always be entertaining as well as educational and with this set of discussions no exception but...... this one really hits home with me on a very personal level. I have stood upon a 'soapbox' for a couple of decades now preaching sustainable ethical practices within our/my beloved 'Hobby' hoping that one day my personal beliefs would become mainstream or SOP within the entire Industry...... ya gotta dream a little or at least have faith that with enough good people pushing in the right direction that 'things' will change for the better.... right ?

On this particular episode/segment of series the discussion being on 'Justification' of our hobby and adding to the earlier episode of 'Sustainability' it quickly becomes a discussion of ethics and morals which are seemingly the necessary defining terms of how one may justify ones choice to any decision to this or any Hobby. Rich and Ret both throw out some great analogies comparing to other hobbies or even just plain human sustenance in how flexible our morality is depending on the situation. Kind of a Needs-vs-Wants approach to the subject, in where 'killing' fish or ??? to eat may be sustainable even moral to some yet still unethical as to how we offer them living conditions or to by what means we end their lives. It is brought up that many people tend to not want to know exactly how 'Food' is made ready or packaged yet may be very vocal about how we imprison our beautiful Reef animals in little Glass Boxes. A little hypocritical but very 'human' all the same.


So.... back to 'Justification of the Hobby' the BIG QUESTION, is it justifiable for us to even keep aquariums full of living animals ??? A very good question that one needs really to only look at from ones own perspective. For me personally it is in this way, by educating myself to the needs of every life I knowingly place into my 'Glass Box' under my care. To the best of my ability both physically and financially meet their needs. To treat their lives with deserved respect. As to sustainability IMHO is to only take juvenile animals and not any of breeding age off the Wild Reefs, or better yet Aquacultured animals bred/farmed specifically for our hobby. To support those in the Industry which I feel do business in a sustainable and ethical way. To continue to learn about the entire Industry and then share my knowledge and or experiences openly and freely. To be an active, outspoken and trusted member of the Reefkeeping Comunity and encourage these sustainable ethical practices to help ensure the future for us all to enjoy and hopefully continue to pass on generation to generation.


And now for a bit of a Fellmanist like sign off


Never stop learning and teaching those willing to listen, stay engaged, question everything
And Enjoy your Reeftank


Cheers, Todd
 
Of course, there is no 'right' answer. Whether anything is justifiable is a function of the priorities and biases of whomever is doing the asking .... and being asked. Frankly its the wrong question. Most hobbies, including sports, would fail to meet the 'justifiable' standard given the consumption of resources. The better question is whether the reef hobby is sustainable or not - really the same question that is asked of the food fishing industry (though, of course, that's on a whole different scale). Sustainability has come to be synonymous with the environment, and that's a factor, but ultimately sustainability is about whether an activity, any activity, will deplete its attendant resources to the point were those resources will be permanently injured. So, does our hobby unsustainable deplete naturally occurring stocks of fish, corals or other invertebrates (on a broader level, the ethics of whether we should be collecting those animals is irrelevant - nature simply doesn't care about individuals, is the species survival that is important)? Certainly as hobbyists, we should decry certain practices. I will not knowingly buy a fish from an area that is known to still employ cyanide, for example.

So, is our hobby sustainable? I'd argue in and of itself, yes, it is sustainable. Trouble is that it is no longer possible to separate the impact of our hobby from that of the cruise industry, or acid rain, or warming oceans. Natural reefs are declining, and should be protected. I'd support legislation to prohibit the collection of any species that is considered to be threatened or endangered, but for that legislation to also prevent resourceful hobbyists from propagating and then selling small frags seems foolish. That is what, as an industry, we should be objecting to, and asking for common sense in the legislation.

Great points! I agree. :)

With Caitlin, Ret and Rich it will always be entertaining as well as educational and with this set of discussions no exception but...... this one really hits home with me on a very personal level. I have stood upon a 'soapbox' for a couple of decades now preaching sustainable ethical practices within our/my beloved 'Hobby' hoping that one day my personal beliefs would become mainstream or SOP within the entire Industry...... ya gotta dream a little or at least have faith that with enough good people pushing in the right direction that 'things' will change for the better.... right ?

On this particular episode/segment of series the discussion being on 'Justification' of our hobby and adding to the earlier episode of 'Sustainability' it quickly becomes a discussion of ethics and morals which are seemingly the necessary defining terms of how one may justify ones choice to any decision to this or any Hobby. Rich and Ret both throw out some great analogies comparing to other hobbies or even just plain human sustenance in how flexible our morality is depending on the situation. Kind of a Needs-vs-Wants approach to the subject, in where 'killing' fish or ??? to eat may be sustainable even moral to some yet still unethical as to how we offer them living conditions or to by what means we end their lives. It is brought up that many people tend to not want to know exactly how 'Food' is made ready or packaged yet may be very vocal about how we imprison our beautiful Reef animals in little Glass Boxes. A little hypocritical but very 'human' all the same.


So.... back to 'Justification of the Hobby' the BIG QUESTION, is it justifiable for us to even keep aquariums full of living animals ??? A very good question that one needs really to only look at from ones own perspective. For me personally it is in this way, by educating myself to the needs of every life I knowingly place into my 'Glass Box' under my care. To the best of my ability both physically and financially meet their needs. To treat their lives with deserved respect. As to sustainability IMHO is to only take juvenile animals and not any of breeding age off the Wild Reefs, or better yet Aquacultured animals bred/farmed specifically for our hobby. To support those in the Industry which I feel do business in a sustainable and ethical way. To continue to learn about the entire Industry and then share my knowledge and or experiences openly and freely. To be an active, outspoken and trusted member of the Reefkeeping Comunity and encourage these sustainable ethical practices to help ensure the future for us all to enjoy and hopefully continue to pass on generation to generation.


And now for a bit of a Fellmanist like sign off


Never stop learning and teaching those willing to listen, stay engaged, question everything
And Enjoy your Reeftank


Cheers, Todd

Bravo, Todd! I don't know what else I can add to this. You've articulated the points that we should all be considering very well. This is a perspective I wish we would all take on this hobby and the issues surrounding it. :thumb:
 

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