Is this flashing?

[starypotter]

Hi everyone,
My clownfish recently started swimming like this. This fish has been out of a low dose copper system from LFS since mid June. The clownfish have always rubbed up against the submarine but much more like you'd see them in an anemone, this is drastically different from usual and it only just started the past day.

I was planning to treat QT with copper without waiting for any symptoms, but since this fish is displaying something I think it's probably best if I start something now. I was thinking rid ich would be best since it seems to me like flashing but I am far from an expert on fish behavior. No other fish in QT are displaying symptoms except the occasional one from the other clownfish also purchased at the same time as this one. All other fish have been out of copper for less time.

I also didn't count how many gallons are in the tank when I filled it. How should I go about finding the proper dose of anything, do I need to drain out some water and fill it back up? Would an internal measurement calculation be enough since there's minimal things in there displacing water?

Ammonia alert badge reads it's safe. Temperature is about 76, I've got a HOB filter with some floss in there.

On hand I have;
Methylene Blue,
PraziPro,
BiFuran,
Rid Ich Plus (Kordon),
Metroplex.

 

[ndrwater]

To me that looks like a clownfish being a clownfish.. maybe a little more energetic than some, but pretty typical clownfish behavior nonetheless IMO.

 

[starypotter]

To me that looks like a clownfish being a clownfish.. maybe a little more energetic than some, but pretty typical clownfish behavior nonetheless IMO.

Okay silly clownfish, she is being much more energetic than I've ever seen before and much more 'flippy' if you will and I'm not confident at all in my ability to identify what's normal or not and I'd always rather get a heads up on potential problems. I've also noticed her nipping at her partner a time or two today which is new as well. They've been together since June and are more often than not hanging out together by the submarine.

 

[ndrwater]

All good!! That's what forums like R2R are for!! If you have a question or concern, ask!!
To me, it looks like the female is feeling a little frisky, and she may be trying to encourage her mate to "clean house" before egg laying. It's not uncommon in our tanks at all..

 

[starypotter]

All good!! That's what forums like R2R are for!! If you have a question or concern, ask!!
To me, it looks like the female is feeling a little frisky, and she may be trying to encourage her mate to "clean house" before egg laying. It's not uncommon in our tanks at all..

Really? Egg laying do they not need to be full grown for that? Because they're both still pretty small. I'd say she's 2" or under. Little one maybe 1.5" tops. I think I remember reading at one point they needed to be 6 years old or so before they mated but I could very well be wrong.
And since I've got a clownfish thread going here, I've posted this before but didn't really get any answers. My little clownfish has a little... chunk taken out of his gill. I first noticed this a couple weeks ago and while it hasn't gotten worse it also hasn't improved any either. I've done a methalyne blue dip since I've noticed it, but again no real improvements. I'm not sure how soon I should be expecting to see any change. It's only on the one gill, it looks a bit more 'flappy' than the other side and there's clearly a small portion missing because the black line is missing and almost a bit wrinkled in the area.

Size- the little yellow fella in the front and the green one in the plant are both clown gobies for additional size comparison.

 

[ndrwater]

Clownfish are weird.. well chalk it up to that..
There definitely is a wound. Doesn't look infected or irritated, so I would let things be. Just keep an eye. If the fish seem otherwise happy and have a good appetite, I would worry all that much.

 

[starypotter]

The little one with the wound is actually the only one that will consider eating from me when I hold a flake in the water. They've both got the best appetites in there so I'm not terribly concerned at least for now. I'll make sure nothing changes and revisit if I see it does.

 

[Big G]

Always a good idea to keep NFG on hand for those "red sores" that can show up on our fish. Works really well for those types of spots/wounds/infections.

 

[starypotter]

Always a good idea to keep NFG on hand for those "red sores" that can show up on our fish. Works really well for those types of spots/wounds/infections.

Nitrofuracine Green Powder then, and that's not methylene green to be sure, I'll look into getting some of that. I did get methylene blue because Humblefish's list says it works for injuries, would this be a different 'area' that it helps?

 

[Big G]

http://store.nationalfishpharm.com/NFP-products-Nitrofuracin-Green-59584.Item.html
From their website. It's a popular treatment with shippers, LFS and others. Highly recommend having on hand.

Nitrofuracin Green
Our special formulation of Nitrofurazone, Sulfathiazole Sodium, Methylene Blue and sodium chloride.

Fish Disease Diagnosis: Anti- microbial, anti- protozoan, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal. Wide spectrum. Good for newly arrived fish in quarantine situations. Also good for healing wounds and ammonia burn on newly arriving fish. Widely used for shipping or packing water. Works well for sores on fish in Koi ponds.

Fish Disease Treatment: 1/4 teaspoon per 20 gallons every 24 hours with a 25% water change before each treatment. Treat for 10- 14 days.

 

[starypotter]

http://store.nationalfishpharm.com/NFP-products-Nitrofuracin-Green-59584.Item.html
From their website. It's a popular treatment with shippers, LFS and others. Highly recommend having on hand.

Nitrofuracin Green
Our special formulation of Nitrofurazone, Sulfathiazole Sodium, Methylene Blue and sodium chloride.

Fish Disease Diagnosis: Anti- microbial, anti- protozoan, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal. Wide spectrum. Good for newly arrived fish in quarantine situations. Also good for healing wounds and ammonia burn on newly arriving fish. Widely used for shipping or packing water. Works well for sores on fish in Koi ponds.

Fish Disease Treatment: 1/4 teaspoon per 20 gallons every 24 hours with a 25% water change before each treatment. Treat for 10- 14 days.

That medication does have a fair amount of medications in it. I'm just running through the numbers for myself here so I can figure what it'll cost so I'll put it here for if anybody else would be curious and it makes it easier to write it all down.

So that's 25% water change every day for 10-14 days if I'm understanding correctly? And then $118 for the medicine. So 25 gallon tank (29 not filled), that's 6.25 a day, if it's 29 then that's 7.25 a day. So even 5 gallons a day for 10 to 14 days is 50-70 gallons of water. 6.25 is 62-87.5. And 7.25 would be 72.5-101.5 gallons.
And my salt is $.25 a gallon. My water is .04 a gallon (accounting for 1 gallon good to 3 gallons bad from RODI). That's $.29 a gallon, times 50 = $14.5 101.5= $29.44
Putting it at $132.5-$147.44 for a round of treatment.

That includes...
Nitrofurazone- I have bifuran, I got it for about 7-8 dollars. Measurement says per 10 gallons of water or it could be done as a dip, either way no official water changes are needed. A 3 gallon dip is a dollar.
My methylene blue was $8.64, hardly dented it when I did a dip in 3 gallons of water so add another dollar there.
Sulfathiazole Sodium- Sulfaplex is $7 on Amazon, and doesn't require any extra water changes so just one at the end would be 8.41.
And uh... sodium chloride... it's got salt in it?
But I could do all of these treatments for $25 plus a water change between two of the treatments and one at the start but I'd need to start with $9 of water no matter what so even at $35 dollars for one change it's still $100 less than doing it all at once. The one online is a much greater volume I'll give it that, but how much would one person realistically use anyway.

I'm a bit concerned about this website, I'd want to look a lot more into where they're getting their medications since they also have CP available and it doesn't appear to require any sort of prescription and I was under the impression that pretty much any reputable source would require a prescription or you won't necessarily know what it is you're getting and how pure it is. Yet there's not actually that information online to be able to look it up.