Is this hobby a perpetual money pit ?

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Cheap tanks are totally possible. Stick to fundamentals that have worked for decades and ignore all the trendy crap on R2R and YouTube. Remember the animals are the hobby, not the gear.

Buy used equipment. Keep a softy tank (cheap, easy, beautiful).
 
There is not much sense complaining about the cost of things just because you want the most expensive equipment out there and plan to spend $200.00 a month on corals.
I was not aware I was complaining. And I don’t want the most expensive equipment either. Being expensive is not a criteria. A good buy is, and I do love technology, so I am enclined to buy it, because it works for me.

I can afford 200$ / month on coral. So why wouldn’t I do it ?

I won't go on a boating forum and complain how expensive it is because like reefing, no one needs a boat.
Again, the goal here is not to complain. I am sorry you got that impression.

I would love to help Idech but he seems to want these expensive things that it seems he can't afford.
The expensive pumps I bought were budgeted for. So were the lights, skimmer, filter and ATO. All pretty expensive for me. What wasn’t is the stuff that came after, which seems never ending. Thus my wanting to know if there will an end to it.

Some people have encouraged me when they said it would stop after a while.

There is a much cheaper way to do it and he can learn about those things if he wants to. But not if he just wants expensive things for the sake of having expensive things that are not needed.
I am a she. :)

Save for the specific expensive equipment you really want — make a budget and put some money away each month until there is enough set away to buy the item
Yes, that’s what I plan to do, thank you.

Edit: I would also say, evaluate whether a problem is really that big of a problem. Initially stuff that seems dire really isn’t in the end sometimes.
You are right. That’s part of the challenge when you start.

Yes it may, which is why I advised to throw in a box of Epsom Salt once or twice a year as I have been doing forever.
I’m sure you can imagine no newbie in their right mind would try such a thing, At least I never would.

whew...after re-reading this...the OP admitted to having emotional issues (anxiety disorder and a perfectionist)...loves gadgets and technology...has a physical disability that wont allow him to handle a bucket of salt ( or water)... is in a hurry to make this all work as he feels he will eventually be physically incapable of doing it at all....and is unable to DIY anything....so he's trying to buy the best of everything with an emphasis on automation in an attempt to make the hobby less physically demanding...and given this formula i believe the answer is "yes this hobby will be a perpetual money pit for you " and i'm very sorry to hear you have these issues and maybe the rewards of having a reef tank may not equal the heartaches of trying to achieve one
Yes, you’ve got this right. Except I am a « she ».

And also about « in a hurry about making this right ». I said I have about a 10 year window. Is that considered in a hurry ?

The thing is as I think I said briefly, reefing brings a lot to me. It’s bringing the beauties of ocean life directly into my home. So yes, it’s very challenging for me. And sometimes frustrating. But so rewarding.

I wrote this post because I genuinely wanted to know if after a while, maybe a year or so, you stop having to spend so much.

I’ve read that yes, it does stop after a while. And that made me very happy. Now I will continue working on staying on budget and really, really carefully decide what I need to spend money on. And focus on what is necessary.
 
I was not aware I was complaining. And I don’t want the most expensive equipment either. Being expensive is not a criteria. A good buy is, and I do love technology, so I am enclined to buy it, because it works for me.

I can afford 200$ / month on coral. So why wouldn’t I do it ?


Again, the goal here is not to complain. I am sorry you got that impression.


The expensive pumps I bought were budgeted for. So were the lights, skimmer, filter and ATO. All pretty expensive for me. What wasn’t is the stuff that came after, which seems never ending. Thus my wanting to know if there will an end to it.

Some people have encouraged me when they said it would stop after a while.


I am a she. :)


Yes, that’s what I plan to do, thank you.


You are right. That’s part of the challenge when you start.


I’m sure you can imagine no newbie in their right mind would try such a thing, At least I never would.


Yes, you’ve got this right. Except I am a « she ».

And also about « in a hurry about making this right ». I said I have about a 10 year window. Is that considered in a hurry ?

The thing is as I think I said briefly, reefing brings a lot to me. It’s bringing the beauties of ocean life directly into my home. So yes, it’s very challenging for me. And sometimes frustrating. But so rewarding.

I wrote this post because I genuinely wanted to know if after a while, maybe a year or so, you stop having to spend so much.

I’ve read that yes, it does stop after a while. And that made me very happy. Now I will continue working on staying on budget and really, really carefully decide what I need to spend money on. And focus on what is necessary.
'I wrote this post because I genuinely wanted to know if after a while, maybe a year or so, you stop having to spend so much.' ....100% you don't spend so much down the road IMO.
 
Very slowly over many years. They grow

I realize that, but you are asking if this has to be a money pit, then you are buying pumps that can make you breakfast. Lunch would be better. :rolleyes: Anyway, a pump pumps and thats all it needs to do. There is no need to control it, especially from your phone. Use your phone to call your friends and invite them over to see your dynamite reef build. Just buy a pump that pushes the amount of water you want pushed and forget about it. It doesn't have to be expensive.

CanuckReefer. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I am trying to help this Noob and show him that while he is going broke at this and seems to know that, he is throwing money away and he doesn't have to.

The title of this thread is "Does this have to be a perpetual money pit" then he goes on to say things like he needs to spend $600.00 for two pumps that he can control on his phone. Does anyone need to do that?

Pumps are cheap, they last 5 or 6 years and you buy another one. There is not much sense complaining about the cost of things just because you want the most expensive equipment out there and plan to spend $200.00 a month on corals. You can of course, but most of us will go broke doing that.

I have a fairly large boat and it is expensive. I can afford so much but if I can't afford it any more, I sell it. I won't go on a boating forum and complain how expensive it is because like reefing, no one needs a boat.

I would love to help Idech but he seems to want these expensive things that it seems he can't afford.
There is a much cheaper way to do it and he can learn about those things if he wants to. But not if he just wants expensive things for the sake of having expensive things that are not needed.

I am sorry if I came off as trying to do a Victory lap. My own tank certainly has some issues, but I realize (and Idech will learn) that throwing money at this will not resolve problems that will only resolve with experience and patience.

I want him to have a great tank as I can't stand to see anyone fail or go broke over a hobby.
Ya, my apologies Paul. I didn't mean to come off as harsh myself. I was likely in a foul mood thinking on having to spend some heavy $ today on a new tank lol. I see you are in it for the betterment of the OP's intentions down the road.... Your opinion is one of the best here....
 
Idech, sorry, I didn't know you were a she. a handle such as Idech didn't give me a clue. Nice to meet you. :D
I am also sorry I said you were complaining, it was just an easy word to use in that situation.

I was just trying to say there are so many other ways to do this stuff. At my age I can also afford many things but I don't just throw money away, like in pumps. I personally use cheap pumps but I also have to make my own breakfast and if my phone could control my pumps, I am sure I would never figure out how to do that.

That tech stuff doesn't work for old people like me. :confused:

For Christmas my 8 year old Grand Son got me this thing where I put an app on my phone and I can track a shark that was tagged in Florida. He had to walk me through how to do it and I think in the mean time the shark got bored and died because he has been in the same place since October. :rolleyes:

CanuckReefer, no need to apologize as I was wrong and do sometimes come off like you said. So I am sorry. :)
 
Idech, sorry, I didn't know you were a she. a handle such as Idech didn't give me a clue. Nice to meet you. :D
I am also sorry I said you were complaining, it was just an easy word to use in that situation.

I was just trying to say there are so many other ways to do this stuff. At my age I can also afford many things but I don't just throw money away, like in pumps. I personally use cheap pumps but I also have to make my own breakfast and if my phone could control my pumps, I am sure I would never figure out how to do that.

That tech stuff doesn't work for old people like me. :confused:

For Christmas my 8 year old Grand Son got me this thing where I put an app on my phone and I can track a shark that was tagged in Florida. He had to walk me through how to do it and I think in the mean time the shark got bored and died because he has been in the same place since October. :rolleyes:

CanuckReefer, no need to apologize as I was wrong and do sometimes come off like you said. So I am sorry. :)
Paul, this post shows a lot of class. I’ve been following your posts and think you bring a lot of humor and value to discussions, regardless of whether or not I or others always agree with you.
 
Idech, sorry, I didn't know you were a she. a handle such as Idech didn't give me a clue. Nice to meet you. :D
I am also sorry I said you were complaining, it was just an easy word to use in that situation.

I was just trying to say there are so many other ways to do this stuff. At my age I can also afford many things but I don't just throw money away, like in pumps. I personally use cheap pumps but I also have to make my own breakfast and if my phone could control my pumps, I am sure I would never figure out how to do that.

That tech stuff doesn't work for old people like me. :confused:

For Christmas my 8 year old Grand Son got me this thing where I put an app on my phone and I can track a shark that was tagged in Florida. He had to walk me through how to do it and I think in the mean time the shark got bored and died because he has been in the same place since October. :rolleyes:

CanuckReefer, no need to apologize as I was wrong and do sometimes come off like you said. So I am sorry. :)
Amazing! I love that app lol.... all the sharks have names , and they are tagging more and more yearly. The Osearch app I think it is? Ya, that shark has either gone on a real deep dive , loves to dine in Florida or hopefully not , has passed...
 
It does slow down after you have the reef you want. You will always have maintenance costs like salt, water, electricity, reactor media (if you have), lights, filter, food, cuc,etc. etc.

I had not spent much on a coral for a few years with my tank a while back. Then, I went and had to get rid of the tank as it was leaking and then ended up making a whole new system and it costed a lot. Now I am in the maintenance stage and waiting for all my corals to grow up and my fish to grow up and not too much being added.

So, it does slow down if you let it.
 
It does slow down after you have the reef you want. You will always have maintenance costs like salt, water, electricity, reactor media (if you have), lights, filter, food, cuc,etc. etc.

I had not spent much on a coral for a few years with my tank a while back. Then, I went and had to get rid of the tank as it was leaking and then ended up making a whole new system and it costed a lot. Now I am in the maintenance stage and waiting for all my corals to grow up and my fish to grow up and not too much being added.

So, it does slow down if you let it.
As I just purchased a new tank and stand today, because of small pin leaks..... wish me luck on this transfer. Last time I did it was 16 years ago, I was young and full of vitality lol.... Tuesday/Wednesday tank transfer.....oh boy...
 
I spent a lot initially, a lot of cheap equipment that I sold or broke, a lot of dead corals due to my impatience. However, I have not spend any money on equipment (I did splurge a little with Christmas gift money) since August this year. I started reefing in June 2020. I even had a few months when my tank had no problems and everything was growing well.
 
This was mine last Saturday after a night of some drinking....it was pretty darn
good. Must have ketchup and plenty of pepper....
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Water bills
Electricity bills
Salt
food
Additional livestock (replace dead ones)
Unending coral purchases
Additives
Testing
Replace equipment failures
Toys and gadgets

All in all I'd say AFTER Initial Start up costs... count on roughly $100-$150/month when adding in electricity and other hidden costs
STOP, you're making my cry!
 
I’m just going to say I spent a bunch and I mean a bunch when I started up and I am still surprised by how much I’m still spending. BRS should have sent me a Christmas card because I have some serious stock in that company. Like ALOT

I would screen shot my BRS order history but then we would both cry
 
I’m just going to say I spent a bunch and I mean a bunch when I started up and I am still surprised by how much I’m still spending. BRS should have sent me a Christmas card because I have some serious stock in that company. Like ALOT

I would screen shot my BRS order history but then we would both cry
Lol

Look back to some Julian Sprung tanks frm the 90s. It is halides with a kalk doser and a hang on back venturi skimmer.

I would put in a pocillaphora, pavona and later green slimers and watch them grow. Frags were 3" and chunky back then too. With all the junk you put in the corals are stressed and harder to grow often.

I would sincerely get off BRS website and get on a few youtube channels.
 
Lol

Look back to some Julian Sprung tanks frm the 90s. It is halides with a kalk doser and a hang on back venturi skimmer.

I would put in a pocillaphora, pavona and later green slimers and watch them grow. Frags were 3" and chunky back then too. With all the junk you put in the corals are stressed and harder to grow often.

I would sincerely get off BRS website and get on a few youtube channels.
I was more so talking about pumps lights skimmer chiller. Stuff like that not the calcium reactor biopellet or zeovit type stuff. That’s an entire other money pit lol.

then you have fish and corals and the sky is the legit limit on that. Fish might as well be coated in gold these days.
 
Okay, I need encouragements. Or not. Maybe this is just too expensive for my taste.

I am always, always very well prepared before going into a new project. I had done hundreds of hours of research, reading and watching videos to learn as much as possible on tons of different aspects of the hobby.

After that I set aside a budget, thinking I would have a lot of expenses in the beginning, and that eventually it would calm down . Like it does in freshwater (even though it’s a lot less expensive). After a while, you have all your gear and all you need to buy is food and maintenance products. And enjoy.

But that has not happened with my reef tanks…. So far I must have spent 8k-10k in 9 months. For a 12 gallons and 75 gallons tank (I already had the tank and stand). It seems there is always a problem to fix that needs specific equipment, or products. Every month, I’m thinking : okay, this was the last time I spent so much. But then I need something else that can’t wait.

What I want is to achieve a state where my tank is complete and where I only need to buy new stuff exceptionally, and because I want to (outside of all necessary items). I want my montly budget to be spent on corals, so I can have the tank I dreamed of.

Is this unrealistic ? Should I downsize ?

Right now I’m tight on money because of this hobby I love and it’s not a pleasant feeling. Yeah, I could spend less, but I’ve already spent so much how can I let it go to waste ? Sigh.

Your experience will be appreciated.
I set up a 300 gallon acrylic tank and stand with all bells and whistles for 3k. Not sure what gold plated pumps you buying but definitly the wrong ones
 

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