Is this Ich ick!?!?!

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

Got a lionfish about 2 weeks ago and although i stared at him alot in those days i dont remember if these were on it when i bought him or her. Now im terrified of losing my favorite fish ive ever owned. Ive never had my fish die from disease as far as far as i know so i never learned to treat them. I currently dont have a quarantine tank but i do have a small 5 gallon im curing live rock in that is going to be converted to one after the live rock is done curing. Let me know what you think! Thank you!

Dr. Reef · Apr 6, 2018

Unless you magnified these images that looks a little too big for ick, except for the first picture can you get better close up pictures

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

Dr. Reef said:
Unless you magnified these images that looks a little too big for ick, except for the first picture can you get better close up pictures

I can try but lionfish are lazy so who knows when i will be able to get a good picture. Non of those pictures are magnified tho. They are just really upclose pictures.

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

Dr. Reef said:
Unless you magnified these images that looks a little too big for ick, except for the first picture can you get better close up pictures

The second picture is the really concerning on to me because it looks like the dots are way smaller on his (feathers)

Dr. Reef · Apr 6, 2018

If no magnification then yes 1 and 2nd do look like ick

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

Dr. Reef said:
If no magnification then yes 1 and 2nd do look like ick

Just the first and second pictures?? Ive never had ick on any fish before so i really just want to know forsure before i completely stress myself and the lionfish out.

HB AL · Apr 6, 2018

If it's eating feed him till he's full, everyday, and it will have a better chance of fighting it off. Also prestine water conditions will help a lot too.

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

HB AL said:
If it's eating feed him till he's full, everyday, and it will have a better chance of fighting it off. Also prestine water conditions will help a lot too.

I try not feeding him everyday because they are only supposed to eat every other day or every 3 days but he is eating forsure

HB AL · Apr 6, 2018

Not sure where you heard that but I've never heard a lion or any fish I've ever had should only be fed every other day or every three days. A well fed fish is always gonna be a healthier fish, hence they will have a better chance of fighting off parasites and healing faster. I feed my fish everyday and they get quite a bit.
I've been fishing my whole life and when a lake goes through a phase of not having enough food for the population the fish are really skinny, put up less of a fight and some of them have soars/open wounds probably from parasites and infections from a deficiency of food and lower immune systems.

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

HB AL said:
Not sure where you heard that but I've never heard a lion or any fish I've ever had should only be fed every other day or every three days. A well fed fish is always gonna be a healthier fish, hence they will have a better chance of fighting off parasites and healing faster. I feed my fish everyday and they get quite a bit.
I've been fishing my whole life and when a lake goes through a phase of not having enough food for the population the fish are really skinny, put up less of a fight and some of them have soars/open wounds probably from parasites and infections from a deficiency of food and lower immune systems.

Ive heard it from a few different sources. To be honest the lionfish will eat ghost shrimp all day if i fed him all day if he knows there is ghost shrimp he doesnt stop till they are all gone. With them being 30 cents a piece hes more expensive to feed the a dog lol

cracker · Apr 6, 2018

the cloudy eyes concerns me. Iv'e seen it before.

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

cracker said:
the cloudy eyes concerns me. Iv'e seen it before.

What did it mean?

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

He definitely has an awesome appetite he just at like 15 live ghost shrimp..

tgrick · Apr 6, 2018

I'm not sure it's just ick. In fact, with the cloudy eyes I'm starting to think it's velvet. I would read about what you need on hand for velvet and keep in mind that you will have hours to act and not days. The freshwater dip is a must. As is the acriflavin bath. I had velvet in January and saved most of my fish so it can be done. If the spots get worse you must act quickly. Good luck.

tgrick · Apr 6, 2018

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fish-and-treatment-guidelines-with-chart.283450/
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/

tgrick · Apr 6, 2018

Lionfish will have a better chance with CP. I've noticed some LFS are willing to 'share' CP and asking never hurts. CP also treats ick. CP is Chloroquine phosphate.

Dr. Reef · Apr 6, 2018

I am also leaning towards velvet.

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

tgrick said:
Lionfish will have a better chance with CP. I've noticed some LFS are willing to 'share' CP and asking never hurts. CP also treats ick. CP is Chloroquine phosphate.

To be used in a quarantine tank or display? I would need to set up my quarantine like tmrw with scrap parts

CaptianPaulie · Apr 6, 2018

Dr. Reef said:
I am also leaning towards velvet.

The only symptom of velvet it has is the eyes. Likebinsaid above it ate like 15 ghost shrimp an hr ago

Dr. Reef · Apr 6, 2018

Honestly appetite doesn't mean nothing I've seen fish that shy away from food with ick or velvet and some eat like pigs. I would definitely get them in the quarantine and chlorophene phosphate is a good option.
Here is a link to a guide I wrote for this situation. Hope it helps.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/i...chloroquine-phosphate-cp.297799/#post-3642691