Is this ick?

[ggNoRe]

Had to put my purple tang in prison since he was beating up my Copperband. Now he's got spots.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

That is ich!

 

[polyppal]

Yup

 

[ggNoRe]

Ok thank you just wanted to confirm. Got him in a full dose of copper.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Most likely the other fish have it as well but they are not exhibiting symptoms. He probably got stressed from the move causing immunity to decrease and the ich to become symptomatic.

 

[ndds73]

Yes. This is ich on the purple tang.

 

[MnFish1]

You are going to perhaps want to treat your other fish as well.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Had to put my purple tang in prison since he was beating up my Copperband. Now he's got spots.

This is ich but also I see presence of mucus spores or plugs. This will require treatment in quarantine using copper safe or Copper power at therapuetic level 2.25-2.5 for a Full 30 days monitored by a reliable copper test kit such as hanna Brand- No Api and also monitor ammonia levels during treatment. Although not required, addition of aeration via air stone suggested.
Leave display tank fishless for 45-60 days to allow tromonts and cysts to get through their life cycle and die off without a host. All others in tank should recieve treatment

 

[ggNoRe]

You are going to perhaps want to treat your other fish as well.

Think it might be too late for that..

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtube.com

 

[MnFish1]

Think it might be too late for that..

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtube.com

why?

 

[ggNoRe]

why?

Can't put copper in display and can't get all those fish out. Plus they are all doing really well. Some have been in there over a year now.

 

[MnFish1]

Can't put copper in display and can't get all those fish out. Plus they are all doing really well. Some have been in there over a year now.

It's up to you - Keep us updated! The recommendation is that all fish be treated - and the tank left fallow for 45-76 days depending on which protocol you use. You can also use hypo salinity - depending on whether you have invertebrates in your display tank - as a last option you could use something like Ruby Reef products - which says its best in a hospital tank - but supposedly can be used with invertebrates.

 

[Hairyteeth]

It’s time to yank all the fish out, although a pain it’s better than re quarantining fish over and over just to reintroduce them to the same disease

 

[ggNoRe]

He's been in 2.0 - 2.5 copper for 3 weeks now and still has white spots. Any suggestions?

 

[vetteguy53081]

He's been in 2.0 - 2.5 copper for 3 weeks now and still has white spots. Any suggestions?

What test kit are you monitoring copper with ? Full 30 days required but looking at the cysts, looks like cryptocaryon which is Marine Ich but not always treatable just with copper often needing strong UV and siphoning sand daily as a method of ich management

 

[LAReefer4Life]

Any other symptoms being displayed?

 

[ggNoRe]

Using Hanna copper checker. He's in quarantine with no sand or UV.

As far as symptoms, I've had him for a couple months already and he was always a voracious eater and seemingly in great health. Until now but I am pretty sure why. First 2 weeks I just used copper and about 70% (white spots) came off in like the first 3 days. Then I decided to try a freshwater dip just in case he had flukes as well. I waited one more week he seemed to be better and better but still had some spots. Yesterday I had a dumb idea of doing another freshwater dip but this time with about 15-20ml of hydroplex. Since then he has not been eating or swimming around very much.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Your doing too much to the poor guy. Right now it is ich you are treating. Leave him in therapeutic copper for 30 days, no exceptions. Once that is over you can focus on other things. Make sure all your water parameters are in check. Slow and steady. Give the meds a chance to work, give him the chance to regain his strength.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

He's been in 2.0 - 2.5 copper for 3 weeks now and still has white spots. Any suggestions?

Skip the hydroplex, it just adds a layer of uncertainty to the process at this point.

I don't think that is ich. I don't see any spots on the soft portions of the fish's fins, and the spots look raised up...plus 3 weeks of full copper would have taken care of ich.

I would use one of the photos you posted above as a menchmark and take another photo from the same vantage point in three days. Compare the two pictures side by side. If the spots are mostly in the same locations in the same numbers, it isn't ich. If the spots have changed location and numbers, then it is ich. What I'm fishing for here is that it may be mucus plugs (oh, and that your other fish never got sick, that doesn't point to ich either). Here is a writeup I did on this:

Idiopathic mucus plugs/cones: Fish sometimes develop excess mucus that excretes from the
producing skin cells and rather than spreading out along the body, rises up as a cone or a plug. These
presumable develop from some sort of skin irritation. If you do a skin scrape on them, all you see is
mucus. They do show up on dark colored fish more often, probably because the contrast makes them
easier to see. The cause(s) for this is unknown. In some cases, they just go away, in other cases, the fish
dies - but in those cases, it is probable that there was a secondary issue. There may be some correlation
between copper sulfate use, or a reaction to a previous skin infection. There is also some strong
correlation between this issue and the species of fish; surgeonfish, tetras and Anabantids are all known to
develop this. Many people misdiagnose these mucus plugs as Cryptocaryon or Lymphocystis, but the
plug or cone shape to the mucus is diagnostic to some degree.

Jay

 

[ggNoRe]

Skip the hydroplex, it just adds a layer of uncertainty to the process at this point.

I don't think that is ich. I don't see any spots on the soft portions of the fish's fins, and the spots look raised up...plus 3 weeks of full copper would have taken care of ich.

I would use one of the pontos you posted above as a menchmark and take another photo from the same vantage point in three days. Compare the two pictures side by side. If the spots are mostly in the same locations in the same numbers, it isn't ich. If the spots have changed location and numbers, then it is ich. What I'm fishing for here is that it may be mucus plugs (oh, and that your other fish never got sick, that doesn't point to ich either). Here is a writeup I did on this:

Idiopathic mucus plugs/cones: Fish sometimes develop excess mucus that excretes from the
producing skin cells and rather than spreading out along the body, rises up as a cone or a plug. These
presumable develop from some sort of skin irritation. If you do a skin scrape on them, all you see is
mucus. They do show up on dark colored fish more often, probably because the contrast makes them
easier to see. The cause(s) for this is unknown. In some cases, they just go away, in other cases, the fish
dies - but in those cases, it is probable that there was a secondary issue. There may be some correlation
between copper sulfate use, or a reaction to a previous skin infection. There is also some strong
correlation between this issue and the species of fish; surgeonfish, tetras and Anabantids are all known to
develop this. Many people misdiagnose these mucus plugs as Cryptocaryon or Lymphocystis, but the
plug or cone shape to the mucus is diagnostic to some degree.

Jay

It's hard to capture in a picture but when looking closely you can see them pertruding like small white spikes. I even saw my orange spot filefish trying to peck at them at one point.