Is this Jason Fox Bloodshots?

[Sophisticated Reefer]

Someone people say its Jason Fox bloodshot some people say it isnt

 

[rkpetersen]

And some people say that naming zoas is silly and only done to jack up prices and drive sales.

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

If you don’t know, then it isn’t. Name implies lineage. Just because something looks similar to a named variety, doesn’t mean you should start calling your coral that name.

 

[eggwater]

Very nice zoa but definitely not jf bloodshot

 

[smartwater101]

If you don’t know, then it isn’t.

That doesn't even make sense.

If i buy a Tyree pink lemonade an it it looks like a Tyree pink lemonade... I'm calling it a Tyree pink lemonade. Anyone who asked for lineage documentation will rightfully get an eye roll. They're welcome to go spend the extra 30%-50%, for amonts to nothing more than a receipt, elsewhere.

And some people say that naming zoas is silly and only done to jack up prices and drive sales

Bingo. Be sure to add a pinch of greed a splash of photoshop.

 

[Mike.P]

And some people say that naming zoas is silly and only done to jack up prices and drive sales.

It makes me giggle though, because 90% of them sound like they could be weed strains.

 

[James M]

Looks like a bloodshot

 

[sixty_reefer]

If you don’t know, then it isn’t. Name implies lineage. Just because something looks similar to a named variety, doesn’t mean you should start calling your coral that name.

Hummmm.... Please define lineage? Who gives someone the rights of lineage? Didn’t they all come from the same ocean and created by Mother Nature? Unless we talking of man made coral with blue blood...

Jus a FYI lineage doesn’t exist in any marine biology book, could you post a link to one? My understanding of lineage in the hobby is to give a common name to rare species of coral instead of its Latin name. So if a coral smells, looks and taste the same dnt see why someone can’t call it the same weird name as anyone else [emoji6]

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

If you didn’t buy it as a JF bloodshot, then it is dishonest to call it a JF bloodshot when you are selling frags. It’s that simple, it makes perfect sense. I can’t find a watch on the sidewalk and then sell it as a Rolex because it looks like a Rolex.

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

If i buy a Tyree pink lemonade an it it looks like a Tyree pink lemonade... I'm calling it a Tyree pink lemonade.

If you buy a coral labeled as tyree pink lemonade then by all means call it a tyree pink lemonade and sell frags to people under the name tyree pink lemonade. But if you buy a nameless coral and it colors up and looks like a tyree pink lemonade, it is WRONG WRONG WRONG to sell frags to people under the name tyree pink lemonade. That is the whole point of the name, you know the specific strain of coral that has been in captivity for several generations and you know it’s flow and light preferences, growth rate and form, hardiness, etc. You can sell it as a smartwater pink lemonade, but names are supposed to imply lineage (not necessary traceable or documentable) back to a known piece.

 

[smartwater101]

If you didn’t buy it as a JF bloodshot, then it is dishonest to call it a JF bloodshot when you are selling frags. It’s that simple, it makes perfect sense. I can’t find a watch on the sidewalk and then sell it as a Rolex because it looks like a Rolex.

Well you could go to an online forum and ask watch-fans if its a Rolex or not. They'd be able to confirm. Although a couple people might just say "If you don't know if its a real Rolex or not, then its not a real Rolex."

If you buy a coral labeled as tyree pink lemonade then by all means call it a tyree pink lemonade and sell frags to people under the name tyree pink lemonade. But if you buy a nameless coral and it colors up and looks like a tyree pink lemonade, it is WRONG WRONG WRONG to sell frags to people under the name tyree pink lemonade. That is the whole point of the name, you know the specific strain of coral that has been in captivity for several generations and you know it’s flow and light preferences, growth rate and form, hardiness, etc. You can sell it as a smartwater pink lemonade, but names are supposed to imply lineage (not necessary traceable or documentable) back to a known piece.

I understand what you're getting at. I'm just saying that even if it was sold to me as a no-name, calling it a Pink Lemonade is not that big of a deal. Anyone who looked at pictures of the coral would know immediately what it was. And they'd prob laugh if I tried to say "its smartwater, not tyree."

Knowing if its been in captivity, or recently collected in the wild, is DEFINITELY a helpful thing when getting new corals. I certainly agree there. "Lineage" though... not so much. There is really no true way to prove it came from where people claim it came from anyway, Unless you're physically buying a coral from the collector in person.

At the end of the day its just marketing. And it works. Very well. So well that people actually convince themselves that lineage matters.

 

[Joshua Warne]

That doesn't even make sense.

If i buy a Tyree pink lemonade an it it looks like a Tyree pink lemonade... I'm calling it a Tyree pink lemonade. Anyone who asked for lineage documentation will rightfully get an eye roll. They're welcome to go spend the extra 30%-50%, for amonts to nothing more than a receipt, elsewhere.



Bingo. Be sure to add a pinch of greed a splash of photoshop.

If the coral inhibits the exact characteristics of the originally named coral, then I suppose you can. It isn't an ethical way of going about it, in my opinion. Buying direct from the source: WWC, JF, GB, CB or reputable hobbyists who you know care about quality and lineage is the best route for peace of mind if you decide to trade/sell. This way you can at least have a strong sense of confidence in your collection.

The coral acquisition aspect of our hobby is very similar to collecting shoes, wine, bourbon, cars, you name it. There is so much to learn. Find someone in the hobby your respect/admire and ask them questions. Learn from them. In return for their knowledge, reciprocate that kindness in whatever way you can. Then you begin the path of discovering your own way in the hobby.

End of the day, have fun with it. Enjoy the hobby in a way that brings you joy. Don't focus on buying the biggest and brightest coral. Buy what you love, from people you respect, for a price you can afford. Go out and meet people, learn from them, teach others. We are in the most amazing hobby there is. We need to appreciate that.



Ex.

 

[ScottB]

Hummmm.... Please define lineage? Who gives someone the rights of lineage? Didn’t they all come from the same ocean and created by Mother Nature? Unless we talking of man made coral with blue blood...

Jus a FYI lineage doesn’t exist in any marine biology book, could you post a link to one? My understanding of lineage in the hobby is to give a common name to rare species of coral instead of its Latin name. So if a coral smells, looks and taste the same dnt see why someone can’t call it the same weird name as anyone else [emoji6]

One way to address the lineage question is to keep the emailed confirmations when purchasing expensive named stuff. These confirmations also include pictures nowadays. For me that is an ancillary reason to keep them.

I keep them (with pics) so I can remind myself where all my retirement income is going.

 

[smartwater101]

If the coral inhibits the exact characteristics of the originally named coral, then I suppose you can. It isn't an ethical way of going about it, in my opinion. Buying direct from the source: WWC, JF, GB, CB or reputable hobbyists who you know care about quality and lineage is the best route for peace of mind if you decide to trade/sell. This way you can at least have a strong sense of confidence in your collection.

The coral acquisition aspect of our hobby is very similar to collecting shoes, wine, bourbon, cars, you name it. There is so much to learn. Find someone in the hobby your respect/admire and ask them questions. Learn from them. In return for their knowledge, reciprocate that kindness in whatever way you can. Then you begin the path of discovering your own way in the hobby.

End of the day, have fun with it. Enjoy the hobby in a way that brings you joy. Don't focus on buying the biggest and brightest coral. Buy what you love, from people you respect, for a price you can afford. Go out and meet people, learn from them, teach others. We are in the most amazing hobby there is. We need to appreciate that.



Ex.

Oh I know. I've been in the hobby for 20 years. I'm just 1) being a bit of a devils advocate and 2) I turn into a grumpy old man with some of the naming/photoshop/lineage stuff lol

 

[Joshua Warne]

Oh I know. I've been in the hobby for 20 years. I'm just 1) being a bit of a devils advocate and 2) I turn into a grumpy old man with some of the naming/photoshop/lineage stuff lol

Hahaha. I totally get it man. I’m not directing at anyone really. I’m just sharing

Long-term hobbyists are a priceless assets. Thanks for leading the way for the rest of us man.

Happy reefing!

 

[rkpetersen]

If you didn’t buy it as a JF bloodshot, then it is dishonest to call it a JF bloodshot when you are selling frags.

Correct. But if it looks exactly like a JF Bloodshot but isn't from Jason Fox, it's perfectly fine to call it a Bloodshot.
Names enter common usage as soon as they're created, and none of them is copyrighted or even trademarked.
For this reason (and others), implying that coral naming is analogous to authentic vs fake Rolex is not valid.

 

[rkpetersen]

It makes me giggle though, because 90% of them sound like they could be weed strains.

Bloodshot Haze. Rasta Kush.

 

[fity2pounder]

Wow. This thread really got taken over. Regardless...that most definitely does not look like any JF Bloodshot I have ever seen (and I own them).