Is this Velvet, Ich, or something else?

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1. Looks like light gold on their faces/gills
2. Twitching and itching
I will act fast I just got these fish out of shipment an hour ago just need to know what to do.
 
I can’t play the video on my iPad.
 
If the fish were shipped in, the most likely issue would be damage from the ammonia that built up in the water during shipping.
I couldn’t see any distinct spots in the video, just some light rub marks around the face.
As the fish settle in, watch them for rapid breathing and see how they feed. Unless I see clear signs of an emergency, I don’t treat shipped in fish for 48 to 72 hours.
Jay
 
I can’t play the video on my iPad.
For some reason, videos won’t play on Apple phones, I have to view them on a desktop computer. YouTube links work though.
Jay
 
I'm pretty sure it's velvet but it's in their gills and not displaying as dots. Still getting twitching and they have been swimming into the filter flow some. I did a methalyne blue bath to work on ammonia, freshwater dipped to see if it was flukes, and did an acroflavin bath. They seemed to be in better shape after that and I raised copper slowly over 48 hours to 2.0 .25ml's at a time. Waited another 48 and raised to 2.25. I'm not sure if I should do another freshwater dip followed by acroflavin or just let them fight it now and hope my copper does the trick.
 
The light gold and behaviors you mentioned lead me to velvet . Symptoms of velvet include swimming into the flow of a powerhead or wavemaker, and tiny white dots on the fins & body. The white dots can look similar to ich, but are smaller and usually far more numerous.
If the dots are too numerous to count there’s a good chance you are dealing with velvet. [/ICODE]
This should be treated in a quarantine tank using Chloroquine phosphate or Copper. A 5 minute freshwater dip, and 90 minute acriflavine bath (or 45 minute formalin bath) can provide temporary relief before the fish enters quarantine.
Other symptoms for velvet would be:
- Reduced or complete loss of appetite
- Heavy breathing, scratching, flashing, head twitching, erratic swimming behavior (unfortunately velvet shares all these same symptoms with ich & gill flukes.)
- Swimming into the flow of a waterpump/wavemaker/powerhead (unique to velvet)
- Acting reclusive (velvet causes fish to be sensitive to light)

Chloroquine phosphate is the treatment of choice for velvet, but copper also works if symptoms are caught early on. These also work on ich, so if in doubt treating with Chloroquine or copper will have you covered both ways.
I used ruby rally pro when I had an outbreak which I felt was helpful until my medication arrived
 
I'm pretty sure it's velvet but it's in their gills and not displaying as dots. Still getting twitching and they have been swimming into the filter flow some. I did a methalyne blue bath to work on ammonia, freshwater dipped to see if it was flukes, and did an acroflavin bath. They seemed to be in better shape after that and I raised copper slowly over 48 hours to 2.0 .25ml's at a time. Waited another 48 and raised to 2.25. I'm not sure if I should do another freshwater dip followed by acroflavin or just let them fight it now and hope my copper does the trick.
A freshwater dip will buy you some time for the copper to get to work.
Are the fish still feeding?
Jay
 
Yeah they’re eating very well. I’m feeding selcon soaked nori and frozen sprinulina mysis shrimp. I think they’re eating the detritus because I’m not getting much fish poop.
 

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