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For all you Z's and P's folks, are there some topics, myths or some info you guys and gals wanted clarified or further discussed. I have a couple topics I'm working on but would also like to hear from you. It doesn't matter if your a 20yrs vet or a newbie, we all continue to learn and have questions.:smile:

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Charles-
 
i find it strange that there are soooo many different names out there for them. It seems like people get one and it looks different under their light so they name it their own. I just dont know how that works but whatever.
 
I want to know about the benefits and relationship of vitamin c dosing and zoos/palys. I read that it helps to keep them healthy.
 
thanks, yes those 2 topics are in my radar. please send more input you all can aid make this forum better by adding to the threads and knowledge base.
 
I have had a small prop tank for the past two years and I have been playing with different variables that increase growth. I would like more peoples input and experiences with growth relating to bulb kelvin and intensity and how flow can be a growth factor. I know there are a ton of variables that can dictate growth and health, but these are the most interesting to me at the moment.
 
I wanna know why people think a ring makes it a hornet :bigsmile:
 
Alright, I have always heard some of the less hardy species of Z&Ps do better off if fragged in doubles or triples. Meaning they were more prone to 'melting" if fragged as an individual polyp. Thought it was myth until I bought my first hornet. Placed in a healthy tank and it melted in three weeks. All Z&Ps there before its arrival and new purchases since have made out well. Think there is any truth to the above theory?
 
Alright, I have always heard some of the less hardy species of Z&Ps do better off if fragged in doubles or triples. Meaning they were more prone to 'melting" if fragged as an individual polyp. Thought it was myth until I bought my first hornet. Placed in a healthy tank and it melted in three weeks. All Z&Ps there before its arrival and new purchases since have made out well. Think there is any truth to the above theory?

I had the same experience.... I know people grow PH out to larger than 3 polyps, but I had 2 3polyp frags in different areas of my tank and they both melted out of no where. Closed up, I did a small Iodine dip, then BAM within a week gone. It was so slow and painful.....
Nothing else had issues I just don't get it.
 
Well about the theory of zoas thriving in "dirty" water?

Not so sure "dirty" is really what people mean. ZOAs can struggle in a pristine SPS tank and prefer semi nutrient rich water. That does not mean dirty, just means more nutrients available for them to pull out of the water column. I'm no expert so take this with a grain of salt, but I try very hard to keep all my water parameters as stable as possible, then spot feed my Z&Ps twice a week and dose trace elements. Why? Skimmer does a good job of pulling out any left-over organics from the feedings, but comes at the cost of depleating some of the trace elements. Probably all overkill as I am pretty religious with 15% weekly water changes.
 
I would love to know why we all ***** and complain about the crazy prices of z's and p's, but as soon as some guy finds the next "hornet" and lists them for $100 a polyp the community jumps all over it like its being given away for free. All that is doing is fuelling the price gauging vendors and justifying the robbery. But yet it continues to happen on the daily.
 
You can't blaim a hobbiest for wanting somthing first, money talk. Also the hobbiest who pay big bucks first will make the most off it.

On the Dirty tank note, im switching to vodka soon and im wondering what my Z and P's will do it shall be interesting.
I would love to know why we all ***** and complain about the crazy prices of z's and p's, but as soon as some guy finds the next "hornet" and lists them for $100 a polyp the community jumps all over it like its being given away for free. All that is doing is fuelling the price gauging vendors and justifying the robbery. But yet it continues to happen on the daily.
 
You can't blaim a hobbiest for wanting somthing first, money talk. Also the hobbiest who pay big bucks first will make the most off it.

On the Dirty tank note, im switching to vodka soon and im wondering what my Z and P's will do it shall be interesting.

i do NOT buy the dirty tank anecdotes at all. yes maybe some zoas can be raised in less then ideal conditions, but they can also be raised in pristene water, and most are adaptable to both. i've raised zoas for many years, and they remain one of my favs. most are not expensive, they are hardy, they grow like crazy, and they are colorful and just become better as the colony grows.

- i think zoas are just very forgiving
- i've had zoa/shroom tanks that were skimmerless and i rarely even did water changes on - my zoas did just fine
- in my current tank DT were i dose vodka and have a large skimmer/filtration system, i have to be careful not to get too clean or my SPS go pale, and yet my zoas are thriving

sure i have had a couple zoas melt on me over the years, but very few compared to other corals i have raised - they are just plain hard to kill - but it can be done
the single best way to kill a zoa is to cut small or single polyp frags from an already small group and then ship them. i have found that fragging zoas into small frags or even single polyps, is generally successful as long as they are given proper recovery time AND the colony was thriving to begin with.

as far as growth goes it is like all corals in that it tends to be exponential. when you start with one polyp, sure it seems like forever before you have enough to cover the plug but if you start with a rock full they seem to spread like crazy. obviously each polyp is only capable of splitting so often so the more their are the more new ones you get

as far as the names and silly pricing - simple - don't fall for it. buy what you like and pay what your willing. i just let someone else have that newest "must have" zoa, and smile when i hear what they paid :)
 
Not so sure "dirty" is really what people mean. ZOAs can struggle in a pristine SPS tank and prefer semi nutrient rich water. That does not mean dirty, just means more nutrients available for them to pull out of the water column. I'm no expert so take this with a grain of salt, but I try very hard to keep all my water parameters as stable as possible, then spot feed my Z&Ps twice a week and dose trace elements. Why? Skimmer does a good job of pulling out any left-over organics from the feedings, but comes at the cost of depleating some of the trace elements. Probably all overkill as I am pretty religious with 15% weekly water changes.

ddwbeagles I'll do some research on this one and we'll see if we can get a thread going - I remember something about a certain % of nitrates being desirable for good growth.

I would love to know why we all ***** and complain about the crazy prices of z's and p's, but as soon as some guy finds the next "hornet" and lists them for $100 a polyp the community jumps all over it like its being given away for free. All that is doing is fuelling the price gauging vendors and justifying the robbery. But yet it continues to happen on the daily.

I hear where you are coming from Rob, but I'm not sure that we'll get to an answer to that one in a discussion thread. The other side of that coin is the illusion among new hobbiests that I can go to my local purchase some zoas cheap, slap a name on em and make big bucks. Guy on another thread posted up that he bought a frag of know melters, brought em home, had em in his tank two days and then cut the frag into six pieces. Now he's posting posts and starting threads about how he doesn't understant why his polyps won't open up - where is the research folks?!

You can't blaim a hobbiest for wanting somthing first, money talk. Also the hobbiest who pay big bucks first will make the most off it.

On the Dirty tank note, im switching to vodka soon and im wondering what my Z and P's will do it shall be interesting.

IMO, I don't believe that any hobbiests "makes money" on anything

m and m I remember reading a thread somewhere about how Vit C and vodka dosing are both basically adding the same thing to the aquarium - might be a good topic of discussion.
 
Thanks for the additions folks here are the topics currently in my list to cover in future topics.
- Current polyps, morphs, look alikes, new polyps
- Vitamin C ( as much as it pains me to do this, I will cover it ) Personal reason as to why this topic pains me a bit
- polyp introduction, via single polyp, triples or getting in small amounts compared to single pieces ( Pro/Cons )
- Theory's on Dirty water ( really dirty ), Dirty water being nutrient rich, Zeo/Zero nutrient water - Zs and Ps survivability
- as for prices, we all know how it its, it's been beat to death with any kind of stick but we may touch on it.
- Dips, which ones are helpful and when should I use which dip with which problem,( furan2, Peroxide, Freshwater, Revive, Coralxp etc )
Let me know if you folks have anymore you want me to research and talk about. thanks for your input.

Charles-
 
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How about recognizing a dieing polyp or colony? before its too late...When to take a chance on a dip or different methods of trying to revive the polyp or colony?
 
Charles, I would also like to see some discussion on the polyp pinching you mentioned in the Hydrogen Perioxide thread. I gotta get my hands on a copy of Coral Magazine, I understand there was a nice write-up in it on zoas this month.
 
Thanks for the additions folks here are the topics currently in my list to cover in future topics.
- Current polyps, morphs, look alikes, new polyps
- Vitamin C ( as much as it pains me to do this, I will cover it ) Personal reason as to why this topic pains me a bit
- polyp introduction, via single polyp, triples or getting in small amounts compared to single pieces ( Pro/Cons )
- Theory's on Dirty water ( really dirty ), Dirty water being nutrient rich, Zeo/Zero nutrient water - Zs and Ps survivability
- as for prices, we all know how it its, it's been beat to death with any kind of stick but we may touch on it.

Let me know if you folks have anymore you want me to research and talk about. thanks for your input.

Charles-

Personal reasons, now I'm curious. Can't wait to start hearing about these different subjects. And now I'm nervous about the one polyp theory. I've never had any melt on me yet (knock on wood). I have a few single polyp additions coming in tomorrow. Here's hoping there is no truth to it :O
 

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