Kalk & 2 part???

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Hello everyone, I am wondering if dosing kalk on an ATO, and dosing 2 part with dosers is a good, or bad idea. I am running a fairly new reef,(about 4 months new) with about 65lbs live rock, 2" live sand base, about 7 misc coral frags,3 fish, crabs& snails. Planning on purchasing a reef keeper elete plus to run the scheduals on my tank and act as a second set of eyes for me. I am also getting the DA float switch to controll an ATO. Also purchasing a 2 part kit with dosers from BRS to keep cal. & Alk. Up. I was wondering if dosing kalk to my ATO would benefit my setup or send it into a spiral? What are your thoughts??
Thanks, Scott.


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Dosing kalk and two part is perfectly acceptable. Many use both due to the effect kalk has on their PH not to mention kalk is really cheap to use. Down side is that kalk can only be used to supplement so much and eventually as stony corals grow you have to find other ways to meet your demand.

Since your tank is pretty new you may be just fine with just water changes at this point. Once water changes are not keeping up I would start kalk in your ATO and you can probably go with just kalk for quite a while before needing to employ the dozers and two part. Of coarse I don't know what your tanks need are either but I hope this helps.
 
^^^ I doubt that a 4 month old tank will need both Kalk and 2 part, but it is an option to meet demand for sure.

Currently, I am dosing 2 part, but plan on going back to kalk ASAP.
 
Thanks, that does help. It's been about 10 years since my last tank, and never really got into dosing. Just primarily did water changes every week. As you mentioned, "once water changes can't keep up", well, I'm at that point. Can't seem to keep calcium in the tank. Thanks for your input!


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^^^ I doubt that a 4 month old tank will need both Kalk and 2 part, but it is an option to meet demand for sure.

Currently, I am dosing 2 part, but plan on going back to kalk ASAP.

What do you like better about kalk?


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It's easier for me, once it is set up on the ATO. I have a dead float switch at the moment, I haven't ordered a new one as I don't want to pay $10 shipping for a $6 switch. :(

On my old tank, I ran both a Kalk reactor, and a HUGE Ca RX in order to keep up with demand.
 
Make sure you know how the relationship between calcium and alk works too. They play a balancing act. This is the article that helped me understand it best.


http://web.archive.org/web/20021127040526/http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm

I somewhat know how they work against eachother. It's more the dosing I'm not fully understand. The 2 part seems pretty straight forward. Mix each with ro in their own gallon jugs, and set the auto dosers, measure & adjust frequencys of doses. I will defenatly read your link, thanks.


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I somewhat know how they work against eachother. It's more the dosing I'm not fully understand. The 2 part seems pretty straight forward. Mix each with ro in their own gallon jugs, and set the auto dosers, measure & adjust frequencys of doses. I will defenatly read your link, thanks.

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Best way IMO is use a trustworthy test kit and see how much your tank uses in a 24hr period. After that you can use the calculator from Bulk reef supply to see how much you need to dose over a 24 hr period and set your controller to dose a small amount every hour.

Thanks for the link good article

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No problem, glad you liked it.
 
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To know the demand if your tank it is simple...

First see how your solution effects your tank

Measure the parameter before adding anything
Add a set amount of your dosing effluent (say 20 mL of alk solution)
Measure the new parameter level with added solution (give time for the added solution to fully disperse in the tank)
Subtract the original measured parameter from the new measured parameter
Now you know how much the added amount should change your parameter without any usage

Find out the demand of your system over a week

Measure your parameter before starting
Set up your doser to add the same amount as your previous step but divide evenly over a week
After the week is up measure your parameter again
Subtract the parameter value measured at the beginning of the week from the value at the end of the week
Compare this difference to the difference from adding all at once
The difference in these two values is your tanks weekly demand and will tell you how much to dose by applying a ratio




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If you haven't, check out the Kalk thread that's stickied here.

You're sure to be missing something if you don't. (Which is why that thread is stickied after all.)

Personally, I would start with a small quantity of Brightwell two-part (get Alkalin8.3 and Calcion) learn and live their "Advanced" directions. (A lot easier to dose two-part, and do it accurately vs kalk) Once demand for two-part becomes financially noticeable, add kalk to your ATO and enjoy a reduction in two-part dosing. By the time two-part costs build up to "noticeable" again you should be ready to graduate to (some) DIY ingredients if you want.

-Matt
 
This is all good advice, although I would do things in a slightly different order. First of all, I would start using kalk as soon as normal WC's become insufficient, and continue to use it, even if/when you start using a two part solution(s). It's a perfect balance of both Ca and alk, and will utilize some of the CO2 in your system to help keep your pH up. There are a few different delivery methods you might consider, including: ATO, dosing pump, and a simple gravity drip. Its shortcoming is the fact that you are limited as to how much you can add to your RO/DI water (2 tsp./gal.), and your evaporation rate.
Secondly I would start with a DIY 2 part, since its about as simple as you can get to make, and is a lot less expensive. I just did a cost analysis on another site, I'll past here:

1 gallon of Calcium Chloride is $17.09 @ BRS. Using recipe #2 it yields about 14 gallons of solution which works out to $1.20 per gallon.

12 lbs of A&H Baking Soda is $7.57 @ Walmart. Using recipe #2 it yields about 14 gallons of solution which works out to $ .54 per gallon.
DIY total for both parts = $ 1.74

So, Br******** - buy Parts A&B for $53.76 (Sold in 2L bottles @ $13.89ea. = .21 per oz. = $26.88 per gal. of each part = total of $53.76)


Saving $ 52.02

Recipe #1 might be twice as expensive, so say at most $ 3.48.


Saving $ 50.28

Test for Ca and Alk, and after you've made/bought your solution, I would add whatever you need to get to your desired parameters, i.e. Ca @ 420, Alk @ 8, etc. using this calculator. Once your parameters are where you want them, start testing each day and see what your demand is. Since you're at a point where your WC's aren't keeping up with your demand, I would start using kalk @ 1 tsp. per gal. of RO/DI and ultimately go to 2 tsp. per gallon. Once your demand exceeds what your kalk is providing, start the two part, again use the calculator to determine the daily dosage.
 
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If you haven't, check out the Kalk thread that's stickied here.

You're sure to be missing something if you don't. (Which is why that thread is stickied after all.)

Personally, I would start with a small quantity of Brightwell two-part (get Alkalin8.3 and Calcion) learn and live their "Advanced" directions. (A lot easier to dose two-part, and do it accurately vs kalk) Once demand for two-part becomes financially noticeable, add kalk to your ATO and enjoy a reduction in two-part dosing. By the time two-part costs build up to "noticeable" again you should be ready to graduate to (some) DIY ingredients if you want.

-Matt

You mention bright well 2 part, I was thinking about the BRS 2 part total package with dosers. Is that a good system as far as quality?, comparable to bright well?


Reefing is like a box of chocolates, you never know whatcha gonna get!
 
This is all good advice, although I would do things in a slightly different order. First of all, I would start using kalk as soon as normal WC's become insufficient, and continue to use it, even if/when you start using a two part solution(s). It's a perfect balance of both Ca and alk, and will utilize some of the CO2 in your system to help keep your pH up. There are a few different delivery methods you might consider, including: ATO, dosing pump, and a simple gravity drip. Its shortcoming is the fact that you are limited as to how much you can add to your RO/DI water (2 tsp./gal.), and your evaporation rate.
Secondly I would start with a DIY 2 part, since its about as simple as you can get to make, and is a lot less expensive. I just did a cost analysis on another site, I'll past here:

1 gallon of Calcium Chloride is $17.09 @ BRS. Using recipe #2 it yields about 14 gallons of solution which works out to $1.20 per gallon.

12 lbs of A&H Baking Soda is $7.57 @ Walmart. Using recipe #2 it yields about 14 gallons of solution which works out to $ .54 per gallon.
DIY total for both parts = $ 1.74

So, Br******** - buy Parts A&B for $53.76 (Sold in 2L bottles @ $13.89ea. = .21 per oz. = $26.88 per gal. of each part = total of $53.76)


Saving $ 52.02

Recipe #1 might be twice as expensive, so say at most $ 3.48.


Saving $ 50.28

Test for Ca and Alk, and after you've made/bought your solution, I would add whatever you need to get to your desired parameters, i.e. Ca @ 420, Alk @ 8, etc. using this calculator. Once your parameters are where you want them, start testing each day and see what your demand is. Since you're at a point where your WC's aren't keeping up with your demand, I would start using kalk @ 1 tsp. per gal. of RO/DI and ultimately go to 2 tsp. per gallon. Once your demand exceeds what your kalk is providing, start the two part, again use the calculator to determine the daily dosage.

Thanks for the very useful info that is defenatly something I am going to consider. I like the price breakdown.


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Well, I ordered the BRS 2 part total package, along with the DA reef keeper elete plus, float switch for my DIY ATO that will be supplied by my RO brute in the basement. Also, designing a backup uninteruptible power source that will automatically switch over to standby battery power similar to how a auto transfer switch works with a home generator system that anyone can build. I will start a new post in DIY when I get started. I don't think it would be possible to enjoy a vacation without that pice of mind.


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