Keeping Algae Scrubber claims in check

[brandon429]

We see ads for algae scrubbers all the time and they commonly claim to beat dinos, without fail, its not ever claimed they might not. Id like for the top two algae scrubber proponents here to chime in on ability for ATS to stop dino invasions, regardless of species present

I realize some incidental cures can be collected and attributed to ATS...lights out, peroxide, bleach, all have similar collections.

But in actual long term dinos threads, ATS are literally doing nothing, is it time to make the sales claims a little more down to earth?

Whats the take on overclaims for ATS< I see big ones regarding dinos...not that they don't compete well with other invasions.

 

[brandon429]

http://reef2reef.com/threads/dinoflagellates-dinos-a-possible-cure-follow-along-and-see.253917/

here is a real world challenge thread where ATS are simply not working, we've cracked on their over claims a bit but nobody noticed (except for the ATS crew that still has the invasion)

I think that to be accurate, ATS cannot be claimed to be a repeatable control method for dinos at all, whatsoever.

 

[MaccaPopEye]

I have only ever seen the claims that an ATS can reduce excess nitrate and phosphate in your system. That is generally hand in hand with reducing algae issues. Haven't seen any outrageous claims by manufacturers though.

 

[brandon429]

I would post some but those can be found if needed, I noticed several discussions about those claims in recent threads here and at nano-reef.com

the key terms will show the statements made in searches... its more commonly stated in posts by the proponents, and yes some sales ads too that say they will remove dinos as one of the first mentioned benefits if we search the major ads by the top sellers of ats, its numerous claims. They mean well for sure, I don't think its snake oil at all...it was the lucky compliant ones being lumped into total cures that's happening I think. The takeaway was that with that nutrient removal you mention, the nutrient dependent dinos would go away.

ATS vs GHA is a great match for sure. Based on the dino threads on the big forums though, zero percent are getting fixes with ATS so maybe this thread can settle the claims out a little better.

Real dino invasion tanks only -wish- they were nutrient dependent, or that any action would fix them.

there's almost nothing you can do to a true invasion to curb it, we can see, even with bleach but its taking that much to get any repeatability here.