Kessil Intensity and My Confusion..

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I have a Kessil 360we over my nuvo 16 (2ftx1ftx1ft), and the light is 2ft from the sand bed.
I have been using it since October 2014, and I have yet to figure this light out. My confusion comes to the intensity, and where it should be. So here is a timeline, and things I've noticed. I also work at a LFS that has 6 kessils over various tanks(all 360we's)

-I started the light without a controller, keeping it 100% intensity, and 10-20% color for a few months.
Things grew great, I had great color, everything was awesome.

-Got the controller around January, set a 10hr program with ramping up to 100% intensity for a few hours, light % tops out at 40%. Still, everything did good.

-Few months went by, and in April/May, I began getting thoughts that my light was on too much intensity, and I see people using kessil 360we's on bigger tanks than mine, with lower intensity, growing everything.

-I back the lighting down to top out at 60% intensity and 35% color, and began to let it sit for a couple months.
As the months went on, I noticed some of my chalices stopped growing lost some color, and began to slooooooowly recede around the edges towards the center. All parameters are fine at this point. The tank is 60% acans, 20% blastos, 20% chalices. The chalices were the only ones looking bad, but I had a Miami hurricane chalice that wont stop growing, its the healthiest one, growing at the same rate when the intensity was 100% vs 60%. I also notice that I have some palys at the sand bed, and their stalks are almost 1.5inches(reaching for more light?)

--So at my store, we have experimenting with kessils, and we keep some corals within 1ft of the light, with the intensity being 90-100%, and color being 0-25%, and everything looks great. Chalices grow and keep their color, palys dont get long stalks, nothing recedes or shows signs of being burned.


So my question is, what the heck is the deal with these lights?! what should I run them at? Should I go back to the nearly 100% intensity when everything was fine? or keep it maxed out at 60% intensity? (Keep in mind, the only things that acted negatively to the reduction in light were the 2 chalices and a few monti caps)

I've read probably over 30-40 threads about kessils, looked at people's programs, and even called Kessil to get their thoughts. When I told the guy at Kessil what I was doing, he acted like I was crazy, so that was a pretty big factor in deciding to bring it down.

Please let me know your thoughts, I'd appreciate feed back.
I'm not sure if I want to leave the intensity where it is, or go back to the nearly 100%. Nothing is showing signs of too much light right now. I had a small green monti cap frag healthy for a couple weeks, then over the past 7 days it slowly started bleaching and losing the green color, not much green left to it. All my acans on the sand bed are great, extending out towards the light, along with the blastos. Only have 2 paly frags, and their stalks have been getting longer and longer.
 
My thought..
Never change what works
 
That's the same I had..but I'm always trying to improve growth, not knowing if I'm slightly giving too much light
 
Just to add, I also run 2 A360W over my 150 mixed reef. I am currently supplementing with T5's. I also am strongly considering going back to all T5's. I have experimented with every lighting choice available except for metal halides and T's have always seemed to provide everything my corals have needed. I have run the Kessils for 3 years now have been supplementing with T5's for about 6 months now.
 
How many t5's are you running on it? And what intensity for the kessils? I've noticed stunning coloration that standard LEDs just can't do, but I believe t5's can provide that same coloring over time
 
2 feet from the sand bed is a lot. I'd put the light 8in over the tank and see how the corals respond.

I've got a 360we over a 24x12x14 tank. I ramp up to 40% intensity and 20%color. I managed to completely bleach a green with blue polyp monti cap back with just 20%intensity. It's on the bottom and off to the side hoping for a comeback.

I've got palys,Zoas, and shrooms. My palys are all happy on the bottom. My nuclear greens shrunk down majorly until I put them in the corner. One shroom did the same until it got stuck in a corner.

My LFS guy sold me some Rastas that had been grown under intense LEDs. They are happy and sprouting multiple babies directly under my kessil.

Other palys that invited themselves near the top have shrunken down and look mad.

I have a few sps corals that seem okay. A PC rainbow developed an intense green hue to it. No idea if that's too much light or too little. Most montiporas won't put out polyps unless they are out to the side of the tank.

Lower the light. Remember the inverse square law for radiation
 
I'm running 2 two bulb aquatic life fixtures on for about 5 hours of the day. Kessils ramp up to 70% color at 85% intensity. Program starts at 8:00am and shuts off at 9:00 pm. I used to run the lights manually up until Christmas when I received the controller. The lights used to come on around 10 at around 60% color and 80% intensity and go off around 8:00. This was just on a timer.
 
I have. Priced that some corals seem to love LED and some do not. Also some corals grow great under LED but lose color. IMO LED lights are missing something. I have used cheap Chinese fixtures up to the expensive Kessils with the same results. T5's take away the mystery. Corals really seem to grow and thrive under them. This is why I will probably be switching back. I just need to find someone interested in trading the two T5 units I have plus the Kessils and controller for an 8 bulb unit. As I can't afford to run out and buy o e at this point in time.
 
I have. Priced that some corals seem to love LED and some do not. Also some corals grow great under LED but lose color. IMO LED lights are missing something. I have used cheap Chinese fixtures up to the expensive Kessils with the same results. T5's take away the mystery. Corals really seem to grow and thrive under them. This is why I will probably be switching back. I just need to find someone interested in trading the two T5 units I have plus the Kessils and controller for an 8 bulb unit. As I can't afford to run out and buy o e at this point in time.

Or just figure out which corals like leds and grow just them ;-)
 
The kessil lights are a total pain. I've tried every setting possible and have bleached sps, can't grow lps, had softies receed and shrink. I am now running 65% color and 70% intensity for 9 hours. All water parameters are perfect. Low fish load. Refugium. Protein skimmer. Vortech pump. I'm running the 360we on a 50gal cube. Any suggestions would be super welcome!
 
I'm running 4 360's @ 100%, 35% color, with 4 T5HO's (going to 6), and will be adding a 48" Reef Brite XHO over a 250DD. I am going to be SPS dominant. PAR results once I get full lighting setup completed.
 

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