KH Director about as useful as a paperweight

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So I've been attempting to get this thing running for two whole weeks now with zero luck. It will hop online and work for a short period of time but there has always been issues. I've reached out for assistance and have gotten very canned responses from Vinny, and Marco, while he has been out sick, has not been much help either. Here is my experience:

Item was purchased in late August, early September. I was planning on adding it to my new build but decided to move the old system to a calc reactor and wanted to use the KH directors readings to help me dial it in.

Set up on day one didn't go well. The wheel for dosing pump one kept sticking so the unit wouldn't calibrate. There were a couple of other tech issues that we resolved.

I emailed Marco and he recommended taking the wheel cap off to check for any blockage. The unit was clear and after reassembling it, the wheel worked fine.

We were able to calibrate the unit and the readings were grossly different than my Hanna checker initially. Each test I ran got the number slightly closer until it locked in around .1 less than the hanna and consistently stayed there.

I set up wifi and the mobile app to be able to get my readings from home. The next day I went to work and the app wouldn't connect. It would, however, connect once I stepped foot in my door and was on the same network as the unit. I emailed Marco and Vinny and got very generic responses for fixing the issue.

I began to trouble shoot and saw that there was a firmware update. I did the update and was instructed to power cycle the doser. Accidentally I powercycled the KH Director and Doser. Once it powered back on all kinds of issues arose.

The lights up top began flashing red. THe website say that's due to an alarm and the app said that the fluid containers were empty. Logging into my CPU at home, which is hard wired to the unit, I checked all fluid levels and would move them from empty, to full, back to empty...nothing would reset the alarm. The unit kept reading that they were empty even though it said full on the computer screen.

Secondly, the readings were not coming in a full .5 DKH less than my hanna checker. I went back through the process of empting the measuring chamber and venting the lines. Ran multiple tests and consistently was getting .5 less. This is odd because for 1.5 - 2 days it was rock solid at .1 less.

Lastly, I was having an issue with the time of the measurements not being the same time as the unit was programed to. The measurement reading times were hours different than the actual time in the settings tab (or general tab).

Again, I sent an email trying to get this resolved and got a lot of useless info. I was told to open up the unit and remove a piece of plastic from the vent tube that could be causing bad readings. I removed the plastic and the readings didn't change one bit. I went in and used the offset option to adjust the number to match my hanna for the time being, until I could get help from someone.

I also tried to correct the alarms and found that only adjusting the level on the app would actually save the setting and turn off the alarm, which makes no sense to me.

Saturday the unit read 1.2 DKH, which was a far cry from the 8.1 I was sitting at. I wasn't sure why the low reading and went to do a manual test...low and behold the wheel jammed up again. I hit cancel (or stop) all actions on the cpu and the reading stopped for a second, then kicked back on. I tried 4 times to get the software to stop the test and it wouldn't so I eventually pulled the plug.

If I had this thing set up to dose based off readings I would have nuked my tank. So to this day I've sent 5 emails, called the office in FL twice leaving one VM and I still cannot get an accurate reading, either because the wheels jam, or whatever reason caused it to drop its reading by .5, and I cannot get readings on the mobile app unless I'm at home on the same network, which is absolutely pointless.

The problem now is that I have very little confidence in the product and even less with its support staff, but since I purchased it back in Aug the LFS will not issue a refund.....

Buyer beware with this product.
 
Hey Russo757,

I also had alot of issues setting up my KH director, it would seem units manufactured after a certain date are set up differently. I'm an software/architect by trade so fixing it wasn't much of an issue, took around three hours.

How comfortable are you opening up your unit. I could likely help you but it would be a step by step process.
 
Hey Russo757,

I also had alot of issues setting up my KH director, it would seem units manufactured after a certain date are set up differently. I'm an software/architect by trade so fixing it wasn't much of an issue, took around three hours.

How comfortable are you opening up your unit. I could likely help you but it would be a step by step process.

I’ve already had it opened to remove the plastic from the vent tube. There isn’t a whole lot going on in there.

I’ll message you later to discuss. I really appreciate the offer to assist.
 
A couple of things,

1st:
When you are setting up your ghl stand alone doser pumps 1-3 need to be filled with liquid before the calibration begin, ea filled to the end of the return line. Then you start your calibration. (Issues arise when the ph probe chamber, lack the necessary amount of water for the test). this can happen as a direct result of improper calibration and or the length of the cable is not set in the software properly.

A quick way to test if this is incorrect. if the KH director bubbles in the water after a test, from your intake on pump One, the calibration is a fail. If it bubbles more than 2 second ea 15-30 seconds , we have one of your issues.


2nd:
Vent tube should be always above water, There are two - three air blocks in the KH director, depending on when manufactured, these must be removed. If they are still inplace and functioning improperly they will lead to an improper amount of pressure in the unit. Which in turn will cause pump 2(which is set at the lowest) to either not put enough fluid or none at all. Which will lead to a very low dKH reading.


3rd: While the wireless function should be working on your ga standalone, I would need to pm me a shot of your setup info or post marking out your sensitive network information such as passwords. The ga standalone and the doser are likely having a sync issue. Wherein they are attempting to act as an access point instead of connecting to your home access point. I can go deeper into the setup but i need more information about your home network.

4th:
The timing is a result of your pc time being set but it wont read that unless you change your utc time as well. If a poweroutage occurs go back and change to pc time(save it) and then change to utc time and save the unit.

5th:

There is a clamping tool in the back of the director which often causes quite a bit of trouble with the reagent chamber, I would suggest removing this and pressing it to make sure the air is not constricted. If it is restricted by the clamp, it could cause a lack of reagent and cause your readings to vary drastically each time.

I cant think of any other things of the top of my head but when I get off work I can go deeper. I have three of these units and while they are a trouble to get started once they are dialed in they can do wonders. But lets get you working first.
 
A couple of things,

2nd:
Vent tube should be always above water, There are two - three air blocks in the KH director, depending on when manufactured, these must be removed. If they are still inplace and functioning improperly they will lead to an improper amount of pressure in the unit. Which in turn will cause pump 2(which is set at the lowest) to either not put enough fluid or none at all. Which will lead to a very low dKH reading.

5th:

There is a clamping tool in the back of the director which often causes quite a bit of trouble with the reagent chamber, I would suggest removing this and pressing it to make sure the air is not constricted. If it is restricted by the clamp, it could cause a lack of reagent and cause your readings to vary drastically each time.

I cant think of any other things of the top of my head but when I get off work I can go deeper. I have three of these units and while they are a trouble to get started once they are dialed in they can do wonders. But lets get you working first.

I am curious about those 2 points...o_O
 
I had a couple issues myself setting mine up. First the waste water line kept blowing off when trying to fill with tank water. This was caused by that white plastic filter thing in the vent line that you already took out.

Second, the reagent line kept blowing off when doing a test. This was caused by the tubing being stuck/pinched shut in the pinch valve inside the unit. All i had to do was pull the tubing out of the pinch valve, squeeze the sides of the tube to get it back to round and then slid it back into the pinch valve. This solved this issue.

Third, the reagent line kept getting air bubbles in it. This can cause erratic, inaccurate readings and the directions are very clear that you should not have any bubbles in the reagent line. If you read around about it (especially the KH Director thread here on R2R), this was common and it has to do with the tubing itself. If you got a unit with one long length of tubing you might have this problem. The newer built ones are coming with the same silicone tubing but with some Vinyl Flex PVC as well just for the reagent. I picked some up on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E6BCV0G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) and it works great and got rid of my bubble issue. GHL will also send you some if you don't have it but they are a couple weeks out from getting it from Germany. If you do get this stuff just be aware that when you attach it to the Director the wall is too thick and you won't be able to use the tubing nut. This hasn't been an issue for me though, it stays just fine

As for your other issues, a couple things I picked up from the KH director thread is that you will NOT match the Hanna. This isn't a bad thing as long as your results are consistent. My hanna and Salifert read about a 1.0 higher than the Director. The Lamotte reads almost exactly the same as the Director. All these tests have variability, especially user variability. Are you getting EXACTLY 10 mL in the Hanna tube (how do you know)? Is the glass dirty? Do you have EXACTLY 1mL of reagent added? These tests are hobby grade, not lab grade. I just put a 15% offset in the Director to match the Hanna because that's what I'm used to looking at. The Director is going to be more accurate though and I have no doubt that the Director number was probably the real number.
As far as connectivity, you cannot access the doser when you are away from your home WiFi unless you set up some port forwarding crap. I knew this going in but it wasn't that big a deal to me.

I know you are having other issues as well but this is what I ran into. I love the thing now and it is solid as a rock. Switching out the reagent tubing really helped with getting a consistent reading for me.
 
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I've being using the Hanna Checker now since around 5 years, what I have learned during those years is that you can have pretty accurate and consistent numbers if you perform the tests with digital low end scale for the water and reagent. The thing to do is to never touch the cuvette with the fingers (Never) and insert it in the device all the time in the same position. The Hanna device accuracy is @ 25°C/77°F ±0.3 dKH ±5% of reading.
Since I got the Kh Lab, all the tests done until now on the Kh Lab and Hanna checker are pretty showing the same numbers when you calculate the results with the accuracy statement of the Hanna checker.

good to read about Hanna checker ;)
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/which-testing-kit-do-i-trust.319210/page-3#post-3966897
 
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A couple of things,

1st:
When you are setting up your ghl stand alone doser pumps 1-3 need to be filled with liquid before the calibration begin, ea filled to the end of the return line. Then you start your calibration. (Issues arise when the ph probe chamber, lack the necessary amount of water for the test). this can happen as a direct result of improper calibration and or the length of the cable is not set in the software properly.

A quick way to test if this is incorrect. if the KH director bubbles in the water after a test, from your intake on pump One, the calibration is a fail. If it bubbles more than 2 second ea 15-30 seconds , we have one of your issues.


2nd:
Vent tube should be always above water, There are two - three air blocks in the KH director, depending on when manufactured, these must be removed. If they are still inplace and functioning improperly they will lead to an improper amount of pressure in the unit. Which in turn will cause pump 2(which is set at the lowest) to either not put enough fluid or none at all. Which will lead to a very low dKH reading.


3rd: While the wireless function should be working on your ga standalone, I would need to pm me a shot of your setup info or post marking out your sensitive network information such as passwords. The ga standalone and the doser are likely having a sync issue. Wherein they are attempting to act as an access point instead of connecting to your home access point. I can go deeper into the setup but i need more information about your home network.

4th:
The timing is a result of your pc time being set but it wont read that unless you change your utc time as well. If a poweroutage occurs go back and change to pc time(save it) and then change to utc time and save the unit.

5th:

There is a clamping tool in the back of the director which often causes quite a bit of trouble with the reagent chamber, I would suggest removing this and pressing it to make sure the air is not constricted. If it is restricted by the clamp, it could cause a lack of reagent and cause your readings to vary drastically each time.

I cant think of any other things of the top of my head but when I get off work I can go deeper. I have three of these units and while they are a trouble to get started once they are dialed in they can do wonders. But lets get you working first.

Wow man, seems like you did a heck of a job by re doing KHD:))) i am having a problem to get a accurate reading. Comparing to lamotte test kit my DKH showing 1-1.5KH lower..Right now i am waiting for 7.5 KH reference solution to compare with my readings..But definitely something is wrong..Prior to switching from P3 to P4 my readings was almost the same as Lamotte.. Any idea ?
Very frustrating to say the least:(
 
Just an update, I had a very good conversation with Vinny the other day and the unit had some parts that were accidentally made out of spec. They are actively helping me remedy the issue. I really appreciate everyone who commented with advice on how to get this working properly.
 
ugh...lost both colonies earlier this year to an alk spike, hence my need for an alk monitoring system. I have one frag left that I'm trying to re-grow. Wish me luck
I almost liked this post but just couldn't. Sad day. Hurry up and grow it though so i can get a frag from ya!!!
 
Just an update, I had a very good conversation with Vinny the other day and the unit had some parts that were accidentally made out of spec. They are actively helping me remedy the issue. I really appreciate everyone who commented with advice on how to get this working properly.
Can I ask what was made out of spec? If you don't want to bring up in the thread shoot me a pm.
 
Can I ask what was made out of spec? If you don't want to bring up in the thread shoot me a pm.

A few things. The wheel cap for the GHL 2.1 doser was manufactured slightly off spec which causes then dosing wheel to lock up, which in turn causes inaccurate readings.

In the director, the tubing for the internal reagent line (I believe) use to be made from a softer silicone tube but was replaced with something a bit more stiff, and there is a white piece of plastic in the internal vent line that is no longer added in new models.

Vinny and Marco are def working to make things right
 
A few things. The wheel cap for the GHL 2.1 doser was manufactured slightly off spec which causes then dosing wheel to lock up, which in turn causes inaccurate readings.

In the director, the tubing for the internal reagent line (I believe) use to be made from a softer silicone tube but was replaced with something a bit more stiff, and there is a white piece of plastic in the internal vent line that is no longer added in new models.

Vinny and Marco are def working to make things right
Yeah those were my exact problems as well that I noted above. Good thing is they know about the problems are great at helping you work through them. I'm just waiting for the stiffer PVC tubing they are using now to shipped.
Been following your pic thread, I have a couple frags I'm interested in getting from you if you ship.
 
Yeah those were my exact problems as well that I noted above. Good thing is they know about the problems are great at helping you work through them. I'm just waiting for the stiffer PVC tubing they are using now to shipped.
Been following your pic thread, I have a couple frags I'm interested in getting from you if you ship.

Nice man. Hope you’re enjoying the thread. I’m trying to keep it active

Shoot me a PM on what u want and I’ll get ya squared away
 
A couple of things,

1st:
When you are setting up your ghl stand alone doser pumps 1-3 need to be filled with liquid before the calibration begin, ea filled to the end of the return line. Then you start your calibration. (Issues arise when the ph probe chamber, lack the necessary amount of water for the test). this can happen as a direct result of improper calibration and or the length of the cable is not set in the software properly.

A quick way to test if this is incorrect. if the KH director bubbles in the water after a test, from your intake on pump One, the calibration is a fail. If it bubbles more than 2 second ea 15-30 seconds , we have one of your issues.


2nd:
Vent tube should be always above water, There are two - three air blocks in the KH director, depending on when manufactured, these must be removed. If they are still inplace and functioning improperly they will lead to an improper amount of pressure in the unit. Which in turn will cause pump 2(which is set at the lowest) to either not put enough fluid or none at all. Which will lead to a very low dKH reading.


3rd: While the wireless function should be working on your ga standalone, I would need to pm me a shot of your setup info or post marking out your sensitive network information such as passwords. The ga standalone and the doser are likely having a sync issue. Wherein they are attempting to act as an access point instead of connecting to your home access point. I can go deeper into the setup but i need more information about your home network.

4th:
The timing is a result of your pc time being set but it wont read that unless you change your utc time as well. If a poweroutage occurs go back and change to pc time(save it) and then change to utc time and save the unit.

5th:

There is a clamping tool in the back of the director which often causes quite a bit of trouble with the reagent chamber, I would suggest removing this and pressing it to make sure the air is not constricted. If it is restricted by the clamp, it could cause a lack of reagent and cause your readings to vary drastically each time.

I cant think of any other things of the top of my head but when I get off work I can go deeper. I have three of these units and while they are a trouble to get started once they are dialed in they can do wonders. But lets get you working first.

Do you have any pics of all this inside? And the WiFi settings I lost all connection and submitted a ticket but that’s almost 24 hours ago and I need this fixed ASAP lost 2k in coral over the course of 3 days of this thing is not working correctly and having an alk spike. I have no connectivity as of now but also have bubbles in the reagent line concstany and I’ve had this 3 years seems a lot was found long after I purchased so thinking I may take this apart and change lines Wea I need to. I loose any more coral I’m breaking this tank down it’s amazing to me that a single pice of equipment can really hinder the enjoyment of a hobby and the lack of help is second to none. I mean your dealing with delicate animals and help can’t be days out I’ll link to an old thread with the last issue I had with this KH Director and the lack of help or care I also lost 1,000’s it corals that go round! The last issue too went down with little to not help from the mother ship and lack of care too and the time it takes to get help shows this. So hope you can help me here since I can’t get anyplace else.
 
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