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I am a transplant from another forum, and have searched around but can't find a LED thread on R2R. I know there must be some people on here with setups. Please post pics of your system, and include LED type, quantity, optics, Driver, Power Supply, type of heat sink, etc. I am also interested in the dimensions of your tank compared with how many LED's you run.

Any info you can provide will be appreciated by all:bigsmile:
 
I have a few ideas as well, but I want to research as much as possible. Some of the diy setups I've seen are amazing.
 
I would like to see if I can cut a heat shield to fit my 92G corner tank.
 
My suggestion would be to use LED's as the white source, and stick to T5's for the blue and actinic. In units that use blue and white, the blue's are what kills the efficiency rating. The spectral plot of most blue led's is pretty much the white led with everything but the blue spike removed... so great blue output, but its not as if NOT having to produce other spectrums allows them to make THAT MUCH MORE blue light.

I posted this over at my local club's forum...
wireefsociety.com • View topic - New 300G? build thread

"Here... Cutter has the XP-G's ready to go...
Cutter Electronics
XPGWHT-L1-0000-00H51 R5 Bin
Cutter XPG 407S
(Cree 7up XPG on 40mm MCPCB. Series Wired)

That is 7 cool white XP-G's on a single chip for $47. 4 of those (28 LED's total) will match the output of a 250 watt Ushio 10,000K and use 92.4 watts.

You shouldnt need optics, but if you do, they make a 7-lenser to match... 40 degree spread, for $16.95
Cutter Electronics

This should run them...
96-Watt MagTech LED Driver - LED Supply.com

The thermal solution is up to you unless you wanted me to make another one of my liquid cooled solutions to make each unit dinky.

So for about $300 in drivers & LED's, you can replace a 250 watt halide with LED's. For blue/actinic though, I would still suppliment with T5's, although I would note that the XP-G's have a significant blue spike in them... similar looking to running a Ushio 14,000K and a pheonix 14,000K side by side. See page 3 here:
http://www.cree.com/products/pdf/XLampXP-G.pdf

If you put the optics on there, sure, it will cost a little more, but with a 40 degree spread, you could mount those things as high as you want, and they would make a very intense spot (at 3' away, that would be a 26" illuminated circle, at 4', that would be a 35" spot) . If you wanted a setup where the light was concentrated just on the corals and rock, but left the glass and corners in the dark (possibly saving you more wattage & putting what you have only where you need it), this would be the way... japanese style anyone? I should have a small test sample up and running sometime soon, although Im in no rush exactly. Interested?"

IMO, the best deal is to get the 7 LED's on a single PCB... but keep in mind that that you wont be able to skimp on the cooling solution. The efficiency of these guys does offset some of the heat production, but the higher density of having 7 LED's on a single chip means you have a higher concentration of heat to deal with. My solution before these even came out was to simply water cool, but a regular heatsink made of Al might be fine as long as you have fans running. OR, use copper instead. Making the unit water cooled would allow you to make a very compact fixture as well though... rather than having to space out the PCB's, you could cluster them together... 4 of them in about a 3"x3" area, or in about a 1.5"x6" area... you pick. You could even get creative and mount each PCB on its own heatsink normally intended for CPU cooling. OR rather, many hard drive coolers could be converted to mount the LED's on (including water cooled ones). The driver units are getting more common... AC powered current drivers in the 96watt and 150 watt range with dimmers are getting more and more common, so have a look around... you dont need a dozen buck-pucks and seperate AC/DC sources to run these things.

My test system is pretty much ready to go here... but for now, I have to plumb the water cooling through my computer's cooling array, so I have to add some connects/taps and Im still waiting on the Liang DC pump I want to use as the pump. So far, I have been using the eheim 1250's... they dont like being restricted to 3/8" cooling lines...

Think my radiator is large enough? (its that 7' tall shiny thing to the right of my computer)
MP2.jpg
 
Ok Guys I made an order a couple a days ago of some blue leds from ledsupply.com
cause I wanted to supplement my T5 with a little more blue since my setup is a inwall tank .I had to put my ATI fixture and 6 inches of the front of my tank doent get teh best light but everything look nice
I will post the build here I hope they get here tomarrow and lets see how it looks and what will they do for my corals. I had the idea of getting the current leds but they are to expensive and I dont have to much space between my tank and the water level
 
My suggestion would be to use LED's as the white source, and stick to T5's for the blue and actinic. In units that use blue and white, the blue's are what kills the efficiency rating. The spectral plot of most blue led's is pretty much the white led with everything but the blue spike removed... so great blue output, but its not as if NOT having to produce other spectrums allows them to make THAT MUCH MORE blue light.

I posted this over at my local club's forum...
wireefsociety.com • View topic - New 300G? build thread

"Here... Cutter has the XP-G's ready to go...
Cutter Electronics
XPGWHT-L1-0000-00H51 R5 Bin
Cutter XPG 407S
(Cree 7up XPG on 40mm MCPCB. Series Wired)

That is 7 cool white XP-G's on a single chip for $47. 4 of those (28 LED's total) will match the output of a 250 watt Ushio 10,000K and use 92.4 watts.

You shouldnt need optics, but if you do, they make a 7-lenser to match... 40 degree spread, for $16.95
Cutter Electronics

This should run them...
96-Watt MagTech LED Driver - LED Supply.com

The thermal solution is up to you unless you wanted me to make another one of my liquid cooled solutions to make each unit dinky.

So for about $300 in drivers & LED's, you can replace a 250 watt halide with LED's. For blue/actinic though, I would still suppliment with T5's, although I would note that the XP-G's have a significant blue spike in them... similar looking to running a Ushio 14,000K and a pheonix 14,000K side by side. See page 3 here:
http://www.cree.com/products/pdf/XLampXP-G.pdf

If you put the optics on there, sure, it will cost a little more, but with a 40 degree spread, you could mount those things as high as you want, and they would make a very intense spot (at 3' away, that would be a 26" illuminated circle, at 4', that would be a 35" spot) . If you wanted a setup where the light was concentrated just on the corals and rock, but left the glass and corners in the dark (possibly saving you more wattage & putting what you have only where you need it), this would be the way... japanese style anyone? I should have a small test sample up and running sometime soon, although Im in no rush exactly. Interested?"

IMO, the best deal is to get the 7 LED's on a single PCB... but keep in mind that that you wont be able to skimp on the cooling solution. The efficiency of these guys does offset some of the heat production, but the higher density of having 7 LED's on a single chip means you have a higher concentration of heat to deal with. My solution before these even came out was to simply water cool, but a regular heatsink made of Al might be fine as long as you have fans running. OR, use copper instead. Making the unit water cooled would allow you to make a very compact fixture as well though... rather than having to space out the PCB's, you could cluster them together... 4 of them in about a 3"x3" area, or in about a 1.5"x6" area... you pick. You could even get creative and mount each PCB on its own heatsink normally intended for CPU cooling. OR rather, many hard drive coolers could be converted to mount the LED's on (including water cooled ones). The driver units are getting more common... AC powered current drivers in the 96watt and 150 watt range with dimmers are getting more and more common, so have a look around... you dont need a dozen buck-pucks and seperate AC/DC sources to run these things.

My test system is pretty much ready to go here... but for now, I have to plumb the water cooling through my computer's cooling array, so I have to add some connects/taps and Im still waiting on the Liang DC pump I want to use as the pump. So far, I have been using the eheim 1250's... they dont like being restricted to 3/8" cooling lines...

Think my radiator is large enough? (its that 7' tall shiny thing to the right of my computer)
MP2.jpg

Sick write up man! Would love to see more pics of your setup as you get it up and running. Gave me some good ideas.
 
Ok Guys I made an order a couple a days ago of some blue leds from ledsupply.com
cause I wanted to supplement my T5 with a little more blue since my setup is a inwall tank .I had to put my ATI fixture and 6 inches of the front of my tank doent get teh best light but everything look nice
I will post the build here I hope they get here tomarrow and lets see how it looks and what will they do for my corals. I had the idea of getting the current leds but they are to expensive and I dont have to much space between my tank and the water level
Let us know how everything progresses, should look awesome. I think I might do actinic supplementation at first to test my hand at it, then build a full blown system.
 
Let us know how everything progresses, should look awesome. I think I might do actinic supplementation at first to test my hand at it, then build a full blown system.

Sure will i got my stuff from Led supply today when I get of work ill take pics and start the write up
 
I've got a 46 gallon bowfront and I'm planning 40 XP-Gs R5 bin and 24 XR-E royal blues. Not planning on using optics. Plan to do pics and a thread once I get all the pieces together.
 
The bowfront twill look slick with that combo of led's. Any reason you're not going with optics?
 
The tank is only 20 inches deep and I don't think I need the focused light. Looked at Shockwave's build on RC (no optics) and the PAR values look good on his tank which is larger/deeper and using XR-E Q5s. That and I want to keep the hood low profile.
 
Ok here we go

First I got my parts from ledsupply.com there are more suppliers but I find that ledsupply.com had everything in stock
This is the list of what I got from them

8 - Royal Blue Cree XR-E leds
2 - Buck pucks 700ma
8 - Carclo Optic lens
8 - Carclo Optic lens holders
1 - Artic silver thermal compound
Here some pics
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Iam still missing some stuff Iam going to grab tomarrow and start the building thread
 
Excellent eggie! What optics are you using?

I got 40 degress optics from Carclo and one of th flat ones and a 60 degree for testing since my aplication is so close to the tank maybe i wont be needing them but i think i will use the flat ones for protection of the led lets se how it goes

yeaturday I drill an aluminum flat bar (Its what i will be using to spred the heat)

I got to get a soldering iron today mine whent bad yesturday

I also need the power supply and i might have to order it if i dont find it locally

So stay tune when I finish how you guys whant me to post it here or just make a fresh thread
 
This is interesting DIY thread here,being I'm building a new system also.Just tagging along here folks.
 
Ok ill just do one right here

Ok the build is 95 percent complet i just need a power supplie i will use my vortech power supply just to show you guys the progress i still have to wait do
Iam waiting for a par meter and I order some 60 degress optics to show youll how they spreed lights and give you measurment with the para meter

Let me try this night to post some pics and see if I could do the writing
 
Looking forward to it. Sounds like you've made some real progress over the last day or so!
 

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