Heres where im at,i raised the fixtures to 14in off the water and lowered the photo period,i think that after all is said and done im going to be able to leave them at this height.I think if i ever lower them im going to torch everything,im ok with that and upgrading from 250w halides the difference is awesome.Just trying to figure out a long term plan and at 14in above the water the spread is good ann the light at the bottom of the tank is still powerfull,over time i will just slowly up the photo period,any comments or opinions would be appreciated,thanks mike