Leopard wrasse stopped eating

[Nickolas]

Its been about 5 days since he stopped eating and I have tried everything except live foods which are impossible to get at this time. He's never had an interest in live brine but went crazy for blackworms when they were available.

I also noticed that his fins are more teared-frayed.

Tank inhabitants:

Blue star Leopard (in question)
Red sea eightline wrasse
Ocellaris clown
Yellow tang

80 gallon tank

I have had him for at least 6-7 months and he ate mysis religiously, bought him already quarantined and medicated from a trustworthy source, so its not an issue with the specimen.

My params:
Ammonia: 0
Alk: 9.8dkh (Hanna) .34(10.2) salifert
Mag: 1170ppm
Ph: 8.0-8.15
Calcium: 445
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate:25 ppm

All i can think that may have caused this is I read that a swing in kh in another forum was a finding for this in leopards.
Admittedly I had been dosing without checking paramaters due to having it being stable. My alk had been hovering at 8.0-8.15 with me dosing the same amount for months, if anything I had bern missing some so I dont know why there was an uprise.

Any help would be appreciated in what I should do next, he just hovers in the tank in a corner until lights out where he tucks himself into another corner, doesnt even burrow.

 

[Crabby48]

Wrasse that eats stops because stress or health problems.

 

[Nickolas]

Wrasse that eats stops because stress or health problems.

I dont see anyone in the tank bullying him, hes actually the largest fish currently in there. As for Health Problems Im not sure what could have caused this other than the swing in parameters. Would aiptasia be a stressor? I have a rather large infestation.

 

[Crabby48]

Hmmm. Aip shouldn’t be a problem or swing in parameters. That said huge swings could be a problem like alk but you would have lost it all.

@SaltyT whats your thoughts on the wrasse.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Please post pic of the fish under white lighting
Is it breathing normal or labored?
This would not be an alk or calcium issue but more so , elevated nitrate, ammonia, ph and even salinity. If you are using API kits which can and do produce false results, consider taking a water sample to a trusted LFS that does Not use Api kits and see what readings they come up with and to compare with yours.

 

[Crabby48]

Also what type of leopard. It matters a lot.
Can I get where it’s been purchased? You can pm me if you don’t want it publicly

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Its been about 5 days since he stopped eating and I have tried everything except live foods which are impossible to get at this time. He's never had an interest in live brine but went crazy for blackworms when they were available.

I also noticed that his fins are more teared-frayed.

Tank inhabitants:

Blue star Leopard (in question)
Red sea eightline wrasse
Ocellaris clown
Yellow tang

80 gallon tank

I have had him for at least 6-7 months and he ate mysis religiously, bought him already quarantined and medicated from a trustworthy source, so its not an issue with the specimen.

My params:
Ammonia: 0
Alk: 9.8dkh (Hanna) .34(10.2) salifert
Mag: 1170ppm
Ph: 8.0-8.15
Calcium: 445
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate:25 ppm

All i can think that may have caused this is I read that a swing in kh in another forum was a finding for this in leopards.
Admittedly I had been dosing without checking paramaters due to having it being stable. My alk had been hovering at 8.0-8.15 with me dosing the same amount for months, if anything I had bern missing some so I dont know why there was an uprise.

Any help would be appreciated in what I should do next, he just hovers in the tank in a corner until lights out where he tucks himself into another corner, doesnt even burrow.

+1 on needing to see pics and a short video under white light.
At this point, with the tattered fins and displacement, hidden aggression is a possibility.
Jay

 

[Nickolas]

Video

Please post pic of the fish under white lighting
Is it breathing normal or labored?
This would not be an alk or calcium issue but more so , elevated nitrate, ammonia, ph and even salinity. If you are using API kits which can and do produce false results, consider taking a water sample to a trusted LFS that does Not use Api kits and see what readings they come up with and to compare with yours.

Here is that video, PLEASE LOWER VOLUME first, my parrot decided to scream at the worst time, this is after I moved him into a hospital tank, which i honestly regret because he looks worse than he did literally the night before

 

[Nickolas]

I do not use Api, for ammonia I use red sea and everything else salifert, Breathing looks heavily labored after I moved him to the hospital tank

 

[Nickolas]

Here is literally the night before, the tank I moved him into was not finished cycling but its a 20 long,

 

[Nickolas]

Also what type of leopard. It matters a lot.
Can I get where it’s been purchased? You can pm me if you don’t want it publicly

Ill message you where I got him from, Its a blue star male

 

[Nickolas]

Like from the night before I thought he would go at least a couple more days if he didnt eat but the video from the hospital tank he looks like he will pass any second...

 

[vetteguy53081]

Video
Here is that video, PLEASE LOWER VOLUME first, my parrot decided to scream at the worst time, this is after I moved him into a hospital tank, which i honestly regret because he looks worse than he did literally the night before

This fish is in high distress. Water is cloudy but so are its eye(s). Are both eyes cloudy ?
Aggression appears to play a role from looks of its tail as well as bacterial issue which could have stemmed from stress. One way to tell if there is an aggressor is to set your cell phone on video mode for about 40 mins and drop a little food and walk away - YOU MUST walk away as they know youre there. Often the aggressor is a bully at feeding time.
Review the video and see who it is

 

[Nickolas]

This fish is in high distress. Water is cloudy but so are its eye(s). Are both eyes cloudy ?
Aggression appears to play a role from looks of its tail as well as bacterial issue which could have stemmed from stress. One way to tell if there is an aggressor is to set your cell phone on video mode for about 40 mins and drop a little food and walk away - YOU MUST walk away as they know youre there. Often the aggressor is a bully at feeding time.
Review the video and see who it is

I can tell you for a fact that this fish did not have cloudy eyes last night, I think I made a grave mistake moving him from the display into the hospital tank. Would it be too stressful to move him back. It looks like both eyes.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I can tell you for a fact that this fish did not have cloudy eyes last night, I think I made a grave mistake moving him from the display into the hospital tank. Would it be too stressful to move him back. It looks like both eyes.

Yes it would be and water quality and oxygen are of value right now along with treatment being either maracyn 2 or Seachem Kanaplex. Adding air stne for added oxygen will also be of help

 

[Nickolas]

Yes it would be and water quality and oxygen are of value right now along with treatment being either maracyn 2 or Seachem Kanaplex. Adding air stne for added oxygen will also be of help

I have a power head pointed to the top but I will be adding an airstone under this advice. I dont have Maracyn 2 but do have kanaplex, I can also share this photo to see if anything else would help in the meantime.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I have a power head pointed to the top but I will be adding an airstone under this advice. I dont have Maracyn 2 but do have kanaplex, I can also share this photo to see if anything else would help in the meantime.

Right now kanaplex

second opinion: @Jay Hemdal

 

[Crabby48]

Moving leopards is hard on them when already stressed. Also older tanks are better for them the new tanks. Wish you the best of luck. If he was stressed from other fish he will be better in treatment tank. He doesn’t need to be bullied but can feel who is more aggressive then he would like. Nice looking male you got

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Here is literally the night before, the tank I moved him into was not finished cycling but its a 20 long,

I don’t think this is displaced aggression now. The fish seemed to have been breathing fast last night and now is breathing even faster and has cloudy eyes. Remember, it is probable that the whole fish is cloudy, but you can just see it most clearly on the eyes,
This all points to a systemic infection - bacterial or velvet/Amyloodinium. Visually, it may not be possible to tell these two apart. If no other fish have any symptoms, I would be inclined to rule out velvet and think it is bacterial.
Jay

 

[Nickolas]

Yes this video was taken yesterday which had already been day 5 of no eating, I was sure I would be able to get him eating again and this was just some sort of strike. I did notice last night before I pulled him that my clown had taken a nip at his tail, so i guess we know that there is an aggressor now. All other fish show no signs of illness *knock on wood*. These have been together for several months so Im not sure why the sudden turn. Is there any hope after the fish has not eaten for this long? I remember reading that at some point they use their liver for energy and after that its pretty much a sentence.

I would also like to take this chance to thank you all for your help and well wishes.