Lets Define "Tank Crash"...

brandon429 · Jan 30, 2020

It's a form of self perpetuating unnecessary crashes this is a thread on crashing

How long am I going to take to locate you advising the other method?

I can understand your problem with opposing info if the search doesn't take super long. If found, I'll be searching your work threads only for my own take on your perspective. I get the hint of what it is, though.

brandon429 · Jan 30, 2020

3 mins

The worst advice thread

ironically it was me asking you for work threads for you to show how you handle uglies phases that don't go away. We got no threads (detractors never have em) but I did understand you hated my advice, what I wrote above had it's intended highlighting effect, thank you for posting.

Your sentence is upped to fifteen work threads lol or just one, if you'll source out a brand new example and begin.

Paul B · Jan 30, 2020

I won't give my opinion here but whatever we call it, I feel it happens way to much in this hobby.

brandon429 · Jan 30, 2020

I know you like uglies phase Paul. Have seen the diving pics. We deal in totally different currencies, work threads are the only thing I value as they measure how the public handles setup and procedure advice.

The invasion forum here needs direct help, 24x7, I'll be watching for you guys posts there. The best way to challenge a claim is in that forum, not here

I can associate uglies phasing with a high degree of tank loss, that's not meant to inflame it's meant to save a new reefer from loss using linkable examples. People don't have to keep asking, ready examples are handy.

Kyuss414 · Jan 30, 2020

I always thought of it as the biological order of a tank going out of whack (for many different reasons,) causing it to "crash", which results in killing things off.

sde1500 · Jan 30, 2020

brandon429 said:
3 mins

The worst advice thread

ironically it was me asking you for work threads for you to show how you handle uglies phases that don't go away. We got no threads (detractors never have em) but I did understand you hated my advice, what I wrote above had it's intended highlighting effect, thank you for posting.

Your sentence is upped to fifteen work threads lol or just one, if you'll source out a brand new example and begin.

Wasn't saying anything regarding your methods. Just that you felt the need to inject it into this post, which has nothing to do with it. But I digress, don't let me get in the way of you standing on your soapbox wherever you feel like it.

brandon429 · Jan 30, 2020

participation in work threads seems a fair way to set the bar for making advice or critiquing it. in the end we both want the best method I think it takes strong back and forth occasionally to carve up claims its overall good for the hobby for us to to advise what we think is right. Each time one of the work threads wouldnt respond to something I was just sure it would, how they started really began to weigh on me. trying to head off an invasion and a willing takedown right from the start seems like a good use of time, and we can use cycle biology to be able to access the tank for cleaning without harming overall progress/jmo

i think we should try new approaches to see if outcomes change vs holding fast each decade to prior materials.

Cory · Jan 30, 2020

Generally its when a deep sand bed get too full and releases enough h2s to kill things. Its a swamp.

Daniel@R2R · Jan 30, 2020

Tank "crash" means the ecosystem that is living in the reef tank has crashed. So we'd be talking about death to all or the vast majority of all life in the tank. I would consider it a tragedy but not a crash if all the fish died, but the corals and inverts were ok.

sde1500 · Jan 30, 2020

Daniel@R2R said:
Tank "crash" means the ecosystem that is living in the reef tank has crashed. So we'd be talking about death to all or the vast majority of all life in the tank. I would consider it a tragedy but not a crash if all the fish died, but the corals and inverts were ok.

I like this definition, adding to it that it is sudden. Not a slow burn, but rapid deterioration.

destro · Jan 30, 2020

How about this.

Tank crash is when many result variables are stretched erroneously in an aquarium system far from reaching recovery.

huckjai · Jan 30, 2020

For me, it's simply something that caused your water parameters to be way off and mass die offs start to occur.

Dom · Jan 30, 2020

Daniel@R2R said:
Tank "crash" means the ecosystem that is living in the reef tank has crashed. So we'd be talking about death to all or the vast majority of all life in the tank. I would consider it a tragedy but not a crash if all the fish died, but the corals and inverts were ok.

@Daniel@R2R: You've used the word "crash" to define the very word that I am trying to define; "Tank Crash".

I thank you for this as it perfectly illustrates my point.

Presently, I sum up the term "Tank Crash" as: A catastrophic and rapid die-off of fish and corals due to yet undetermined reasons.

sde1500 · Jan 30, 2020

Dom said:
@Daniel@R2R: You've used the word "crash" to define the very word that I am trying to define; "Tank Crash".

I thank you for this as it perfectly illustrates my point.

Presently, I sum up the term "Tank Crash" as: A catastrophic and rapid die-off of fish and corals due to yet undetermined reasons.

Eh, why undetermined? A heater exploding in my tank would lead to a catastrophic and rapid die off of all life, I'd consider it a crash even knowing the reason.

Daniel@R2R · Jan 30, 2020

sde1500 said:
Eh, why undetermined? A heater exploding in my tank would lead to a catastrophic and rapid die off of all life, I'd consider it a crash even knowing the reason.

Agreed. I'd still call that a crash.

Dom · Jan 30, 2020

sde1500 said:
Eh, why undetermined? A heater exploding in my tank would lead to a catastrophic and rapid die off of all life, I'd consider it a crash even knowing the reason.

I thought undetermined was appropriate as so many posts related to "crashes" are usually something discovered suddenly.

"I woke up this morning and found..."

Sometimes when that initial post happens, it is before any investigation has occurred, because people posting on a "crash" are usually seeking guidance as to what they might look for.