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Who here doses Strontium in their reef tank and why?

It seems as though there is a lot of anecdotal evidence out there that suggests reef systems benefit from Sr addition, but very little scientific evidence that suggests it is beneficial in any way. I am curious if anyone else has really looked at Sr dosing in depth, and would love to hear both anecdotal evidence from members here, as well as any theory/discussion on why or why it is not important to dose.

Also, if you are dosing, what test kit are you using to test for it?
 
I am starting in drive deeper in this. I have been doing my tank with strontium for several months. It is a soft dominated tank. So far I can say my zoa's are healthier and bigger. I will keep you posted
 
Shameful to say :( but I dose it every week but never test for it. Always heard from fellow reefers that it benefits zoas..and I love zoas..so far I have not seen any bad effects of dosing strontium but do remember someone saying it does play an important part also in the SPS growth and coloring up of corals.. Would like to know more..
 
I have heard the same, but from reading scientific articles on the subject, it seems like there is no real consensus that Sr serves as anything more than a place holder or surrogate for Ca ions during coral skeleton construction. There have been quantitative studies that show the negative effects of having 'too much' strontium in a reef system, but no data that I can find that shows the consequences of not having enough.

I guess the question is, is the presence of Sr in the skeletons of coral incidental (it is just 'there'), or is the presence of Sr somehow crucial to the health and growth of coral? The third line of thinking seems to be that it is actually harmful, and is used in the skeletal structure to actually expel it from the living portion of our coral friends.

The anecdotal evidence is out there in abundance, but for a product that is sold in many different forms and advocated by so many, there seems to be little hard evidence of what effect it actually has on our systems.
 
Any other reef2reefers out there dosing Strontium in their systems, or have an opinion either way?
 
+1 fort384

I've read a bunch of anecdotal reports claiming benefit for everything from mushrooms to SPS, but have found nothing in any research to back it up. I don't dose it -
 
I know in humans you take strontium supplements to build bones and prevent bone loss


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And kuyatwo, that is some what analogous to where we see Sr in our reef systems - in the skeletons of coral. But my question is, what is it doing there, and how is it beneficial? Or, is it just "there" in coral because of its presence in the system.
 
I've been in the hobby long enough to see it come and go as a fad additive a couple times. It exsists as a product purely because of a misinterpreted scientific paper and a greedy aquarium supplement company. After that is was just copied by other supplement companies because it represented more easy sales and they could have the same elements that the other companies had.

Also, keep in mind that a couple of the authors that have promoted the use of strontium through the years also just happen to be owners of supplement companies.

There is zero scientific evidence that strontium supplementation is beneficial. There is evidence that it can be toxic at levels that would be fairly easy to get to if supplementing regularly.

Below is an excerpt from RHF and a link to an article written by him.

"Strontium may or may not be useful in coral reef aquaria, and it may or may not become depleted. Like magnesium, strontium becomes incorporated into calcium carbonate in place of a portion of the calcium ions. That incorporation happens to approximately the same extent whether a coral skeleton is being formed, or an abiotic (nonbiological) precipitate on a pump’s impeller. It is just a fact of life that strontium looks a lot like calcium, so it gets into places where calcium would otherwise be. Some aquarists have concluded that strontium may help corals to deposit their skeletons despite the absence of any evidence of this in the scientific literature, and of any direct experimental evidence (for or against) by hobbyists.

Some hobbyists do report positive effects of dosing strontium. Scientific evidence indicates that some organisms need strontium, albeit not the organisms that most reefkeepers maintain. Certain gastropods, cephalopods and radiolaria, for example, require strontium. There is, however, no clear evidence of any benefit of supplemental strontium in coral reef aquaria.

A few years back, when I tested my aquarium’s water for strontium (using a sophisticated lab machine), I found that in my reef aquarium, with no recent strontium additions, strontium was already elevated (15 ppm) above natural levels (8 ppm). By testing the Instant Ocean salt mix that I was using, I found that it, too, was elevated (15 ppm). I saw no evidence of depletion, at least not when performing my routine of changing 1% of the tank's water daily. I would not like to see the strontium level get any higher, because strontium is known to be toxic to some marine organisms at levels not too far above that. Consequently, adding a supplement without knowing the aquarium's current strontium level is not advisable.

Overall, water changes with a salt mix containing a suitable level of strontium may be the best way to keep strontium at appropriate levels, assuming it has any benefit at all. That requires no testing or worrying about dosages. For those who want to dose strontium, or who have very high calcification rates, which may deplete strontium faster than it can be replaced by water changes, I recommend testing to ensure that it does not get too high. My recommendation is to maintain strontium levels in reef aquaria in the range of 5-15 ppm. That level roughly spans the level in natural seawater of 8 ppm. I do not recommend that aquarists supplement strontium unless they have measured strontium and found it to be depleted below 5 ppm."




Aquarium Chemistry: Strontium and the Reef Aquarium — Advanced Aquarist | Aquarist Magazine and Blog
 
I've been in the hobby long enough to see it come and go as a fad additive a couple times. It exsists as a product purely because of a misinterpreted scientific paper and a greedy aquarium supplement company. After that is was just copied by other supplement companies because it represented more easy sales and they could have the same elements that the other companies had.

Also, keep in mind that a couple of the authors that have promoted the use of strontium through the years also just happen to be owners of supplement companies.

There is zero scientific evidence that strontium supplementation is beneficial. There is evidence that it can be toxic at levels that would be fairly easy to get to if supplementing regularly.

Below is an excerpt from RHF and a link to an article written by him.

"Strontium may or may not be useful in coral reef aquaria, and it may or may not become depleted. Like magnesium, strontium becomes incorporated into calcium carbonate in place of a portion of the calcium ions. That incorporation happens to approximately the same extent whether a coral skeleton is being formed, or an abiotic (nonbiological) precipitate on a pump’s impeller. It is just a fact of life that strontium looks a lot like calcium, so it gets into places where calcium would otherwise be. Some aquarists have concluded that strontium may help corals to deposit their skeletons despite the absence of any evidence of this in the scientific literature, and of any direct experimental evidence (for or against) by hobbyists.

Some hobbyists do report positive effects of dosing strontium. Scientific evidence indicates that some organisms need strontium, albeit not the organisms that most reefkeepers maintain. Certain gastropods, cephalopods and radiolaria, for example, require strontium. There is, however, no clear evidence of any benefit of supplemental strontium in coral reef aquaria.

A few years back, when I tested my aquarium’s water for strontium (using a sophisticated lab machine), I found that in my reef aquarium, with no recent strontium additions, strontium was already elevated (15 ppm) above natural levels (8 ppm). By testing the Instant Ocean salt mix that I was using, I found that it, too, was elevated (15 ppm). I saw no evidence of depletion, at least not when performing my routine of changing 1% of the tank's water daily. I would not like to see the strontium level get any higher, because strontium is known to be toxic to some marine organisms at levels not too far above that. Consequently, adding a supplement without knowing the aquarium's current strontium level is not advisable.

Overall, water changes with a salt mix containing a suitable level of strontium may be the best way to keep strontium at appropriate levels, assuming it has any benefit at all. That requires no testing or worrying about dosages. For those who want to dose strontium, or who have very high calcification rates, which may deplete strontium faster than it can be replaced by water changes, I recommend testing to ensure that it does not get too high. My recommendation is to maintain strontium levels in reef aquaria in the range of 5-15 ppm. That level roughly spans the level in natural seawater of 8 ppm. I do not recommend that aquarists supplement strontium unless they have measured strontium and found it to be depleted below 5 ppm."




Aquarium Chemistry: Strontium and the Reef Aquarium — Advanced Aquarist | Aquarist Magazine and Blog
Very interesting ,nice article IKE ........
 
Yes, thanks for posting. This seems to fall right in line with my thinking on the subject. It just amazes me that the products even sell then since no one has bothered to do any kind of study that shows what happens when Sr is depleted in a system.
 
Yes, thanks for posting. This seems to fall right in line with my thinking on the subject. It just amazes me that the products even sell then since no one has bothered to do any kind of study that shows what happens when Sr is depleted in a system.

No study needed... It has been proven, don't dose strontium and things will be perfectly fine.
 
No, I disagree. There should be a study. I would like to see what the effects are of a lower than natural level of Sr in a reef system. It might be true that things will be perfectly fine, but what is perfectly fine? Are things *better* when Sr is maintained at 4-15ppm or so? What happens if it 0?

Clearly it is something present in a reef system, so understanding the purpose and the effect it has should not be dismissed. It might not be vital to success, but it is important, in my opinion.
 
No, I disagree. There should be a study. I would like to see what the effects are of a lower than natural level of Sr in a reef system. It might be true that things will be perfectly fine, but what is perfectly fine? Are things *better* when Sr is maintained at 4-15ppm or so? What happens if it 0?

Clearly it is something present in a reef system, so understanding the purpose and the effect it has should not be dismissed. It might not be vital to success, but it is important, in my opinion.

Regradless of if it has some importance, I think the first thing to find out would be if strontium is even depleted in home aquaria to the point that it will ever need to be supplemented.
 
Regradless of if it has some importance, I think the first thing to find out would be if strontium is even depleted in home aquaria to the point that it will ever need to be supplemented.

Nature has a way on conserving metabolic processes. Key elements, compounds and processes are repeated over and over again in organisms, both marine and terrestrial. The very fact that strontium is not known to play any role in any metabolic pathway (in land or marine organisms) should serve as a strong indicator that it's presence is superfluous - non-essential - and if anything is probably mildly toxic.

In osteoporosis treatment, it increases bone density as its molecular weight is greater than that of calcium and it seems to inhibit the cells which scavenge calcium from the bone which is also perhaps a toxic effect.

I doubt its depletion would have any observable negative effect - its presence in excess could inhibit the biological activity of everything from bacteria to corals. If it has a positive effect- I would guess it might result from from its toxic effect.
 
I always relied on water changes to replace and/or supplement my strontium. I've read RHF article many moons ago and just felt like it was not worth dosing if I could not test. for it, etc.

FWIW, I follow this for may supplements. The only thing I dose is ESV Alk and Calcium, and only to make up deficiencies that my CalRx can't keep up with.

Lastly, I've been in the hobby for over 10-years now and find myself doing less and less to my SPS tank and finding that things are going just as well if not better then messing with all the snake oils out there.

HTH
 
I always relied on water changes to replace and/or supplement my strontium. I've read RHF article many moons ago and just felt like it was not worth dosing if I could not test. for it, etc.

FWIW, I follow this for may supplements. The only thing I dose is ESV Alk and Calcium, and only to make up deficiencies that my CalRx can't keep up with.

Lastly, I've been in the hobby for over 10-years now and find myself doing less and less to my SPS tank and finding that things are going just as well if not better then messing with all the snake oils out there.

HTH

Yes, this seems to be a pretty common theme - keep things stable, stay away from additives, etc. But there so many people out there who report anecdotal evidence that when they dose Sr, things "get better".
 
Yes, this seems to be a pretty common theme - keep things stable, stay away from additives, etc. But there so many people out there who report anecdotal evidence that when they dose Sr, things "get better".

It happens with so many things in this hobby. People often see what they want to see or make many changes and pick and choose what they want to thank for it.
 
Nature has a way on conserving metabolic processes. Key elements, compounds and processes are repeated over and over again in organisms, both marine and terrestrial. The very fact that strontium is not known to play any role in any metabolic pathway (in land or marine organisms) should serve as a strong indicator that it's presence is superfluous - non-essential - and if anything is probably mildly toxic.

In osteoporosis treatment, it increases bone density as its molecular weight is greater than that of calcium and it seems to inhibit the cells which scavenge calcium from the bone which is also perhaps a toxic effect.

I doubt its depletion would have any observable negative effect - its presence in excess could inhibit the biological activity of everything from bacteria to corals. If it has a positive effect- I would guess it might result from from its toxic effect.

I guess my post implied that it would ever be needed... My main point was that, even if by some chance it does play a role on coral health or coloration, that I doubt it ever gets depleted in home aquaria to the point that it's not available.
 

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