Lineage Zoas

[Wijic]

I'm not sure if these questions are better here in the Zoa forum or if they should be in the newbie forum, but I was wondering:

What exactly are lineage Zoanthids? From what I can gather, they're Zoas that take on a unique color/pattern and then get named by their creator and are fragged/sold with people keeping track of what they're called and where they came from. Is this about right?

What I'm wondering is, how do you make lineage Zoanthids? Is it just luck of the draw, you purchase some non-lineage Zoas and make them lineage if their coloring and patterns change? Is it something else? What makes a lineage Zoanthid lineage and not just, well, a Zoanthid?

 

[JNye]

lineage normally comes into play when demand for a particular morph is very high. since corals can look very similar some people want to confirm they are getting "the real deal" before spending top dollar on the "hot" morph. so they want to know where it came from, ie from the orginal owner/namer...enter LINEAGE...in the end it still mostly comes down to trust.

 

[m and m]

Above is correct here is a example of a well know piece. The tyree red watermelon, It origionaly came from the man tyree himself. Now Lets say WWC is one of the fist to buy it. The linage would be Tyree>WWC. Now you buy it from WWC so its Tyree>WWC john smith. So on and so on. Like the post above me linage come into play when the "Next hot thing" come out and people pay the premiom of getting it first like the My miami they want to know it came from one of the two founders of it Jason fox or Victor.

 

[m and m]

Also linage only come into play with the coral that brings more $. Due to if your buying a 20 doller rock with 30 polyps on it your most likly not buying it cause where it came from/who has it and who will want it you are buying it because thats either what you like or its what is in your budget. So with somthing like that it realy is not needed. Now when you spend 300 on a coral it leaves a path of where it went because people want the real deal.

 

[ficklefins]

I think you guys are missing the OPs question. How would someone go about becoming the originator for a new zoa/paly morph?

 

[inactive]

Post up threads on every reef forum with pictures asking on ID and all that? When you turn up with nothing and no one else having them name them? Let everyone know whats crackin and hope for the best?

*shurg* I dunno

 

[JNye]

well by understanding the term lineage he can answer his own question, lineage happens, its not created, anyone can name something...the market will descide if it sticks or not.

 

[inactive]

lineage happens, its not created, anyone can name something...the market will descide if it sticks or not.

Awesome.

 

[Wijic]

Okay, so, you start with a Zoanthid that either develops new colors in your tank or that you bought at your local LFS/online/got from a guy/etc without it being noted as being anything special. If it has a pattern you think is awesome, you check around to make sure it's not a lineage Zoa started by somebody else. Then, you can name it and sell it, and if people agree that it's as awesome as you think it is and it becomes popular, the name sticks and viola, new lineage Zoa.

Thanks, I think I got it, now!

 

[650-IS350]

I think one of the few times a can really put Lineage and polyps together in the same sentence is something to what Gary of ReefPets and the Purple Hornets. Tubbs and the Tubbs blues.

IMO, I think more of "Originators" would be a better word used when putting it in the same sentence with polyps. Meaning we call the Person or the Store that were the original personel that brought the polyp into this hobby the "ORIGINATORS". They were the first to bring this particular morph in to the hobby. Will others bring the same coral in the future, yes but the legacy of that polyp will be linked to that first originator. As all these new polyps all come from the wild, collected from different places and locations.

It's hard to make a particular polyp a lineaged piece or Limited Edition as with polyp, one tends to morph, look different or react differently to diffrent tanks, lighting conditions, parameters. Compared to linaeage or LE SPS that when you purchase LE piece #1, #1 will always look that way regardless of your tank or at least if it does change a bit, you can still pretty much ID it on how it originally was.

I hope this makes sense.

 

[fab1971]

I'm pretty new at this so don't laugh at my ignorance. I always thought that a new zoo morph was when they got mixed together in your tank and would breed into a unique zoo. I have a couple of watermelons mixed up with my magicians and thought I would be getting a new morph soon. Oh boy, I have a lot to learn.

 

[650-IS350]

Polyps can morph in anyones tank. Typically due to different water parameters, tank lighting, flow, stress, etc compared to how it was before it got to that persons tank.

They can get brighter, darker, develop spots, dusting effects, loose or gain patterns or lines, shrink or get bigger etc etc.

 

[JNye]

650-IS350 makes a good point, if we want to delve into that, its a whole different issue. In that, different types of corals have different ground rules surrounding lineage, or at least as percieved by me.

but in general only the hottest/newest morphs will lineage come into play for any coral.

 

[Wy Renegade]

To some extent, I think the NCRF is trying to introduce a better way of tracing this. Sites like ZoaID attempt to keep pictures of named corals so that you can compare your corals with their pictures. Unfortunately, every newbie under the sun now thinks that any coral they purchase should be named, so they find the closest thing that they think matches and start calling their coral by that name, and that just confuses the issue.

Sorry, Just my $.02 rant for the day :angel:

 

[650-IS350]

it sux now that almost every polyp even a dirt ugly no design brown pieces has a name or what some collectors deem regular or typical has also have crazy names as well. Just an opinion.

 

[inactive]

Zoas have devolved into not being collectible IMO.

 

[mrbigshot]

mabey zoas will go back to what they once were, a general price per polup across the board.

 

[650-IS350]

mabey zoas will go back to what they once were, a general price per polup across the board. You'll have tons of online vendors, sellers closing up if that was the case. It won't happen as it's toooooooo profitable.

 

[Carlton'stank]

Agree^. It's a cash grab for the vendors. Think of a obscure name and market the hell out of it. I have done some small time propagating for some time and never name my things on my sales threads. It has gotten to the point where I recently conceded to popularity and put some money into some "high-end" colonies. It is kind of ridiculous in the sense of pricing, but it is a good way to distinguish color trends etc. The same thing is happening with chalices. Every chalice under the sun has some type of name now.