liopropoma basslet help

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i received two perfect liopropoma rubre specimens last friday after waiting a couple of months while the supplier kept them and observed them to ensure they had become a bonded pair.

what i have been witnessing since their introduction into their new 28g home is somewhat odd. my tank lights do not start coming on until 2pm, so every day since friday i have been observing them with ambiant lighting from the room all morning until the lights come on. they are both out swimming freely all over the tank during this time. i'm very happy to see this being that i suspected they would be reclusive and hiding in the rocks most of the time this soon. the first day they were in the tank they seemed to spend a lot of time together. they are both out swimming peacefully, but now don't appear to be spending any time together - they are doing their own thing and only encounter each other randomly.

once the lights come on, however, i've been witnessing what appears to be some territorial aggression from the bigger one. it's basically keeping the smaller one in hiding. it's like the smaller one wants to come out and explore even with the tank lights on, but once it does the larger one bolts at it and chases it back into hiding. i haven't seen any nipping or signs of nipping by way of torn fins. but i'm worried that the pairing may be off, or maybe it's completely normal behavior. i've never kept a pair together before, so i'm hoping someone who has this experience can shed some light.

couple of pictures since receiving them.

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this is the bigger, more dominant one...it's mostly out swimming about regardless of the lights.

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afternoon bump...

witnessed the same today. lights out, but ambiant light = both basslets happily swimming around w/ minimal interaction. lights now on = larger basslet still out, smaller one in hiding and the larger bullying it when it does sneak out.

main question is, how long do i let this go on before trying to intervene? at this point both are eating and still no wounds.
 
I'll give you a bump...

You may have to wait a while, given how uncommon this fish is in the trade.

For what it's worth, my male Bartlett's was doing something similar to his girl for a bit, but appears to have mellowed. I would try moving things around a bit to break up the line of sight between where the dominant hangs out and the sub wants to be.
 
It's not overly uncommon for a "pair" to separate after being moved, even if they were a "pair" or spawning prior to the move. They're establishing territories in their new domain, and given time, should likely form a pair again. With that said it's not a hard fast rule or fact that they will, so keep an eye on them for any major aggression, at which time of course they would have to be separated. The Lioprpoma genus is not overly hard to form a pair, so I'm guessing they should settle down together eventually.
 
Thanks...that's what I was hoping someone could confirm. I will keep a close eye on them for sure. It would be really nice if they bond back up, as (obviously) that was my intent. :)
 
You pretty much described my pair of Swissguard basslets that I bought from Live Aquaria as a "bonded" pair. I've had mine for a week now and the larger one doesn't pick on the smaller one anymore. I just wish they hung out together and slept in the same area more often.
 
Wow! We are in the same boat! What size take do you have them in?

I'd imagine they should start spending time together if the aggression has settled. Hoping within a few weeks they bond back up.
 
I have the pair in a 75g (36x30x16). I just hope they spend more time together!
 
the dominant one has been hanging out mostly at the back of the tank. this is with no lights, and taken from the left side of the tank. i created the rock overhang/cave type scaping at the rear like this, hoping it would provide a nice hangout for the basslets - which it has, for the one. photobombing possom wrasse. :)

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the other one lives right up at the front of the tank, in and under a barnacle cluster. i snapped this blurry photo as it was peeping out, and then darting back in after it saw the other. this happens pretty frequently. it is coming out to eat, though, and then bolting straight back in. tho, as i said, during the day before tank lights it is out swimming about and encountering the other without much of an issue. strange. helfrichi firefish photobomb. :)

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Were they bagged up and acclimated together?
I've heard if you acclimate bonded pairs separately, they can sometimes lose that bond. Being in a new environment and not together during the most stressful part of being introduced can cause them to lose the bond.
I personally have never experienced that, so it may be wrong, it's just what I've been told.
 
they were shipped bagged separately, as i suspected they would have been. i did empty the bags into one bucket during acclimation, and they entered the tank simultaneously. i snapped this photo shortly after they were in the tank. they spent most the first day together like this, and the next morning until lights on.

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here's a 3-minute standard def video w/ no tank lights from this morning. this is pretty typical of what i've been watching the past several days with the lights off.

warning - it's pretty boring, but picks up about 1:45 into it. nevermind the stupid cat at the beginning - also very typical. :)

Swissguard Basslets - new to tank - YouTube
 
Hahaha - yep! Seems to be getting better every day also. They are both coming out more and more with the lights on. Still not spending time "together", but haven't seen any chasing in a few days. Really like watching these fish.
 
good news! just took a peek in the tank (lights are coming on), and caught these two out and about, swimming TOGETHER, dancing around each other. this is significant progress towards re-bonding!
 
Yay indeed!!! :)

These two have already learned that I mean food, and are eating straight out of the turkey baster already. I'm honestly really kind of shocked at how out and about they are now - they are such a reclusive fish. I guess it's a good mix of tank mates.
 
Glad to hear they're doing well. Would be totally cool if they laid eggs and you figured out how to raise them! I know it's been done at least once before....
 
Hah! ;)

I've been in contact with a couple of people. :D

If this goes well, I might just have to set up a carmabi tank! :)
 

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