Livestock List - 167, Gallon Sumpless

[Gogol_frag]

Hi y'all:

I have made a "first-draft" of my stocking list and wanted your opinion on it. This is my entire fish list. I do not plan to add any further fishes.

Truly appreciate the community-support. So here goes:

1. Melanurus Wrasse ( Halichoeres melanurus)
2. Red-lined XMas Wrasse (Halichoeres biocellatusl
3. Naso Blonde Tang (Naso Elgans)
4. Yellow Eye Kole Tang (Ctenochaetus Strigosus)
5. Whitetail Bristletooth Tang (Ctenochaetus flavicauda)
6. Yellow Belly Hippo Tang (Paracanthurus Hepatus)
7. Gem Tang (Zebrasoma gemmatum)
8. Gold Stripe Maroon Clownfish (Premnas biaculeatus
9. 1 Green bubble tip anemone

Tank:

1. Dimensions: 6'× 2' × 2'
2. Volume: 167 gallons
3. Nitrogen cycling completed
4. Filtration equipments: Dry rock, sand, biocubes, skimmer with carbon chamber, algae scrubber, combo filter with abilities to run filter-pad and GFO
5. Build Thread: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/gogols-sumpless-165-gallon-build.814557/

The questions for you fine ladies and gents are
1. Can i expect fatal agression amongst the above stocking list?
2. If so, which are the likely candidates?
3. Will my selected Wrasses help in keeping pests in control?
4. Will some of my selected Tangs help in controlling nuisancd algae?
5. Is my anemone expected to eat any of my selected fishes?

Thank you all.

- Gogol

 

[monkeyCmonkeyDo]

No sump?
The melanrus and xmas wrasse are basically the same animal... imo. Lol
Pick another wrasse from the 2.

Anenome are opputunistic eaters and will consume anything stressed or dieing.
It will be eating fish food from the water coloum.
Youll need flow.

The gem tang and maroon.clown imo are.gonna be your biggest jerks. Add them last.
D

 

[Gogol_frag]

Thanks for reply monkeyCmonkeyDo.

Yeah no sump. I am trying to create a large and capable AIO. Gotta hide the equipment somehow now

The Wrasses being same animal - do you mean coloration and utility? They are seperate species, and I didn't want the 6-line and 8-line for their reported aggression. Do you have another pest-controller-Wrasse suggestion? I am on the lookout. So will appreciate feedback.

Agreed and noted on the anemone. I am still on the fence, but people do successfully seem to keep them in reefs, which gives me hope. Watching the clown-anemone symbiosis is the only reason I am considering a clown and anemone. My flow is 20x aquarium volume/hour via a Neptune Wav. I plan to increase that to 40-45x by adding another Wav.

Agreed and noted on the Maroon Clown and Gem Tang. I plan to introduce them last.

 

[Zionas]

1. Melanurus Wrasse- This one’s good for pest control.

2. Red Lined Wrasse- Basically the same fish as the Melanurus. One or the other. I would do a second type of wrasse like a Fairy or a Leopard (if you’re up for the difficulty), maybe another kind of Halichoeres with a different set of colors.

3. Blonde Naso Tang- Too big for your tank.

4. Yellow Eye Kole Tang- Great.

5. White Tail Bristletooth Tang- Same genus as the Kole, either stick with the Kole or hold out for this one.

6. Yellow Belly Hippo- IMO a 6ft is borderline for a Hippo, I’d much rather see one in an 8ft tank. But who knows? Maybe it won’t get that big if started small.

7. Gem Tang- Great.

8. GSM- Great.


So this leaves the Naso and 1 of the 2 Bristletooths as your “problems.” Instead of the Naso you could do a Tang from the Acanthurus family like the Japonicus, Chocolate, Lavender or Convict (if you can find a healthy one).

Choose 1/2 Cthenochaetus Tangs.

As for the Blue Tang..... I’d still be inclined to do a different fish. Maybe a Bicolor or Magnificent Foxface? Or one of the smaller “large” angels? A pair of Genicanthus?

 

[Gogol_frag]

Thank you Zionas. 10-4 on the Blonde naso and Blue-eyed Hippo.

Couple of follow-ups.

1. Are foxfaces reef-safe? They are also venomous hence was on the fence.
2. Regarding the leopard wrasses, is the difficult primarily in the fact that it needs a steady supply of pods? Also do leopard wrasses eat pests?

Thanks,
Gogol

 

[Zionas]

Leopard Wrasses can take time to accept most foods and prefer a tank with a steady pod population, if I’m not wrong. Many are also fragile due to transportation and are found emaciated, so getting a healthy specimen at your LFS that’s eating at least frozen is key. I’m not sure if Leopards eat pests, you might have to ask someone else.

Foxfaces are generally Reef safe and good algae eaters though I have heard reports of them munching on corals. If you’re worried about the venom, I’d consider something like a Starry Blenny or just relying on your Bristletooth Tang.

Sorry for what little I know.

 

[Tchung23]

I really like fish the burrow or hang around the rocks and lower part of the tanks. Have you put any thought into some sand sifting fish?? Goby??

 

[Sharkbait19]

I really like fish the burrow or hang around the rocks and lower part of the tanks. Have you put any thought into some sand sifting fish?? Goby??

+1
I think that it’s important to have something that will keep the sandbed stirring a lot, and gobies are great at that. They’re also cute and fun.

 

[Gogol_frag]

Thanks Tchung23. I was thinking of staying away from pod-dependant fishes like Sand Sifting Gobys and Leopard Wrasses. I do grow Tibsepods but I really want to keep seeding the tank with pods, for half a year or so before introducing pod-dependant fishes. Also Gobies in general maybe slow enough for my anemone to catch and eat - and release ammonia as a result.

My sand grain size is 2 to 3 mm, which may be too big for sand sitting fishes, in general. I am expecting the grain-size to be OK for nassarius snails, though.

Interested in your thoughts Tchung23.

 

[Sharkbait19]

Thanks Tchung23. I was thinking of staying away from pod-dependant fishes like Sand Sifting Gobys and Leopard Wrasses. I do grow Tibsepods but I really want to keep seeding the tank with pods, for half a year or so before introducing pod-dependant fishes. Also Gobies in general maybe slow enough for my anemone to catch and eat - and release ammonia as a result.

My sand grain size is 2 to 3 mm, which may be too big for sand sitting fishes, in general. I am expecting the grain-size to be OK for nassarius snails, though.

Interested in your thoughts Tchung23.

As far as gobies go, I find that firefish don’t eat a crazy amount of pods, are incredibly fast, and fun to watch. They hang out by a cave and swim in the water column from time to time. They are easy to train onto pellets. Just my two cents there.

 

[Gogol_frag]

Thanks Sharkbait! Do you think a 2-3 mm grain size is too big for Sand Sifting Gobies? I was thinking of employing some Nassarius snails for the Sifting. My sand bed is getting seeded with continously grown Tisbe Pods, who i am hoping along with Nassarius Snails will be decent detrivores.

I do love those Gobies, but I think Gobies and Sand Sifting starfishers will rather eat my Tisbe Pods than detritus, won't they?

 

[Gogol_frag]

Firefish!! Thats a new one.

As far as gobies go, I find that firefish don’t eat a crazy amount of pods, are incredibly fast, and fun to watch. They hang out by a cave and swim in the water column from time to time. They are easy to train onto pellets. Just my two cents there.

Kewl. Will consider them. Thank you Sharkbait!

 

[Sharkbait19]

Thanks Sharkbait! Do you think a 2-3 mm grain size is too big for Sand Sifting Gobies? I was thinking of employing some Nassarius snails for the Sifting. My sand bed is getting seeded with continously grown Tisbe Pods, who i am hoping along with Nassarius Snails will be decent detrivores.

I do love those Gobies, but I think Gobies and Sand Sifting starfishers will rather eat my Tisbe Pods than detritus, won't they?

2-3 mm doesn’t seem too large for sand sifting gobies. 0.5-1.5 is preferred but they're pretty adaptable fish.

There are many species that do eat pods, though some are better than others in terms of how little an amount they eat. Some species like Randall’s gobies are pretty good at being trained to eat frozen and dry food.

Sand sifting starfish can decimate your pod population, though. Though they do take nutrients from detritus and diatoms, their primary diet is microorganisms.

 

[Sharkbait19]

Another goby you can consider is neon gobies. Tiny little guys, these are cleaner fish that cling to the side of a larger fish and eat parasites such as ich off of them. Best to either keep a bunch or only one, as they fight for space, though male and female gobies bond for life.

Another small but fun goby are clown gobies. These guys like to hang out primarily in rocks and stony corals, and like neon gobies do best singly or in pairs.

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Also to answer a prior question of yours, BTAs are pretty chill when it comes to fish. They're on the peaceful side of anemones, so even slow-moving fish can generally get away. Rarely do anemones actually catch a healthy fish, as most know to stay away from the tentacles.