Low nutrients but GHA

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I have a 36 gallon with just a hang on the back skimmer. I've had the tank for about 3 months, but I bought it used and the previous owner had it a couple years. When I got it, I added a lot more rock and fish than he had.


I was probably overfeeding quite a bit because I have a diamond watchman goby that I wanted to make sure pellets got down to. I started having GHA develop on the rocks and the sand turning brownish/reddish in some areas. I only had an API nitrogen cycle test kit. My nitrates had always came in between the 10 and 20 color.

I decided that since I was having algae problems, I switched back to frozen foods and have been feeding much less. I also added a hang on the back protein skimmer and ordered salifert test kits of phosphate, calcium, alk and mag.

Last night I tested and I was expecting the phosphate to be sky high, but to my surprise, it came in as undetectable. The liquid didn't change color at all. I tested nitrate and it was much lower than it's always been. It looked like between the 5 and 10 color as opposed to between 10 and 20 that it's always measured.


What's my best coarse if action? The GHA isn't super long and probably not a big deal, but I don't want it getting worse. But the sand turning colors looks really gross and I've been having more film on the glass. I was thinking about draining the tank down and spraying hydrogen peroxide on the GHA. I figured that would let the nutrients rise back up to where they should be.
 
I have a 36 gallon with just a hang on the back skimmer. I've had the tank for about 3 months, but I bought it used and the previous owner had it a couple years. When I got it, I added a lot more rock and fish than he had.


I was probably overfeeding quite a bit because I have a diamond watchman goby that I wanted to make sure pellets got down to. I started having GHA develop on the rocks and the sand turning brownish/reddish in some areas. I only had an API nitrogen cycle test kit. My nitrates had always came in between the 10 and 20 color.

I decided that since I was having algae problems, I switched back to frozen foods and have been feeding much less. I also added a hang on the back protein skimmer and ordered salifert test kits of phosphate, calcium, alk and mag.

Last night I tested and I was expecting the phosphate to be sky high, but to my surprise, it came in as undetectable. The liquid didn't change color at all. I tested nitrate and it was much lower than it's always been. It looked like between the 5 and 10 color as opposed to between 10 and 20 that it's always measured.


What's my best coarse if action? The GHA isn't super long and probably not a big deal, but I don't want it getting worse. But the sand turning colors looks really gross and I've been having more film on the glass. I was thinking about draining the tank down and spraying hydrogen peroxide on the GHA. I figured that would let the nutrients rise back up to where they should be.
Pull it out manually.
Do some water changes.

Add some large mexican turbo snails. Did you rinse the sand when you acquired this 2 year old tank?

I would imagine its quite loaded with detritus.
 
Pull it out manually.
Do some water changes.

Add some large mexican turbo snails. Did you rinse the sand when you acquired this 2 year old tank?

I would imagine its quite loaded with detritus.
I didn't rinse the sand. My nitrates shot sky high and it took a lot of water changes to get it back down

The algae isn't long or thick enough to pull on.

After doing more research, I think I've got dinos. I think I need to kill the algae to get let the nutrients rise up. I also ordered a bottle of Dr Tim's waste away
 
Your nutrients are likely very high but being consumed by algae and absorbed by rocks sand, so they are appearing low. You don't get algae issues without high nutrients.

More frequent water changes will help get it under control. For the long term figure out ways of export if you can't feed less - algae scrubber, fuge, nopox, GFO, etc.
 
I didn't rinse the sand. My nitrates shot sky high and it took a lot of water changes to get it back down

The algae isn't long or thick enough to pull on.

After doing more research, I think I've got dinos. I think I need to kill the algae to get let the nutrients rise up. I also ordered a bottle of Dr Tim's waste away
If you start dumping harsh chemicals into a 3 month tank you will open the door to a bunch of headaches. Use the advice from the poster above.
 
I heard from a guy that heard from a guy that posted on another forum that posted here- the gha is probably using the nutrients giving you zero nutrients.
Ya I heard the same thing from those guys.

It's not that you don't have any nutrients. You just don't have testable nutrients. Keep up with the maintenance and be patient.
 
I didn't rinse the sand. My nitrates shot sky high and it took a lot of water changes to get it back down

The algae isn't long or thick enough to pull on.

After doing more research, I think I've got dinos. I think I need to kill the algae to get let the nutrients rise up. I also ordered a bottle of Dr Tim's waste away
After this post, I think we all can agree we need to see a picture of the Algae in question and a full tank shot.
And please use white lights as we can not tell colors under all blue lights.
 
After this post, I think we all can agree we need to see a picture of the Algae in question and a full tank shot.
And please use white lights as we can not tell colors under all blue lights.
I'll have to get shot this evening. Usually when I'm taking pictures, I'm trying to avoid the algae. Now I can't find any pics that show it
 
Here's some pics. Now that I'm really looking at it, I feel like the algae has been going away for the most part and I'm being left with what's left on the glass and in the sand, which I think is actually dino
 

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Diatoms. Not dinos.

You'd know if you had dinos.
I thought only new tanks got that? The tank has been running for several years. Though, I did increase the bioload and make a lot of changes, but 50% of the rock and all the sand is several years old


Should I do any course of action?
 
Anytime you move live rock/sand you're gonna have some die off. Honestly I dont see a huge problem like ^ said detritus and junk built up. Blow off the rock, siphon the sand on the next change and look into a nice little cleanup crew. It's good you want to grip it now because it could get bad quick.
 
I thought only new tanks got that? The tank has been running for several years. Though, I did increase the bioload and make a lot of changes, but 50% of the rock and all the sand is several years old


Should I do any course of action?
I just saw the videos. And agree its something else. Doesnt quite look like dinos though. A microscope can tell a lot
 
Anytime you move live rock/sand you're gonna have some die off. Honestly I dont see a huge problem like ^ said detritus and junk built up. Blow off the rock, siphon the sand on the next change and look into a nice little cleanup crew. It's good you want to grip it now because it could get bad quick.
This was right before Thanksgiving that I set up the tank. I transferred everything and my nitrates were 160+. Then over the course of the next 2 weeks, I did a ton of water changes and got it down to like 15. I added more rock at that time. After about a month, I had a bit of algae and so I added 2 trochas snails, 2 cerith snails, an emerald crab, cleaner shrimp and a couple hermits. All the algae was completely gone.


Then I added an actual reef light (nicrew 150 watt) and over the course of the last month, the algae has started come back.

2 weeks ago I added the little protein skimmer
 
I just saw the videos. And agree its something else. Doesnt quite look like dinos though. A microscope can tell a lot


It could look strange because I did a water change last night and vacuumed as much of it as I could. I'll take a picture of it after it really returns
 
I thought your rocks looked pretty nice. By your description it sounded like your tank was nuked.
 

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