Lymph?

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

Hi guys. Hoping someone can help me here.

I got a swallowtail angel about a month ago. Started off not looking so great, lying on its side and breathing heavily for 4-5 days.

Suddenly it just sprung to life and was then normally swimming around, eating well and picking at algae etc.

Then about 2 weeks ago a small white growth appeared in its dorsal fin, when it 'flared up' you could see it clearly. It was about 2mm and looked like a grain of sand.

Then all went back to normal, but now she just looks a bit 'ragged' her fins are torn and scales look a bit off.

Tank is about 80g. It's the only fish in there. No I don't qt my fish.

Water parameters are:

Ammonia - 0
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate kit not working, seavhw sending replacement
PH - 7.9 to 8.3 depending on time
Alk is at 9
Calcium kit is expired but shows 410ppm so not sure how accurate it is.

Tank is 2 months old. However all rocks were in a separate tank cycling for a few months. Allow corals, crabs, snails etc. Are healthy.

Will appreciate all help. For now I've soaked food in garlic any vitamins.

Pics

You can see it doesn't appear as vibrant as it should, but the pics aren't great either.

I've attached a video as well [emoji1303]

Thanks

 

[melypr1985]

I couldn't tell in the video and I'm watching real hard for it... Is she not breathing heavily any more? I didn't see the lymph mentioned so I'm assuming it went away on it's own.How long was it on her before going away? Any other symptoms? Flashing, scratching, yawning, a dusty/dirty appearance or occasional white spots? If she's willing to eat on her own, then stop adding the garlic to her food. Just stick with the vitamins for now.

 

[stevo01]

@Humblefish

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

No. Not breathing heavily anymore. The lymph on the dorsal fin is gone. Lasted about a week. Occasionally she has a little shaking fit like trying to get something off her body. Lasts about a second or two. Since today she doesn't want to eat pellets. So I fed mysis with garlic and vitamins. Haven't seen any white spots.

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

Lights are out now. Tomorrow I'll take another video

 

[melypr1985]

Can you do a fresh water dip on her? Pay attention to the red bold text. I want you to check for flukes. Here's how:

Freshwater Dip: Provides temporary relief for Brooklynella, Flukes & "Black Ich", Marine Velvet disease (Amyloodinium); possibly even Ich & Uronema marinum (both unproven). Can be used to confirm the presence of Flukes.

How To Treat - Fill a bucket with RODI water, and use a heater to match the temperature to the water the fish is coming from. Aerate the water heavily for at least 30 minutes prior to doing the dip, then discontinue aeration while performing the dip. Fish aren’t overly pH sensitive for short durations like this, but you can squirt a little tank water into the dip just before the fish goes in to help bring it up.

Place the fish in the freshwater (FW) dip and observe closely. It is not unusual for them to freak out a little at first. Also, tangs are notorious for “playing dead” during a FW dip. The important thing is to watch their gills; they should be breathing heavily at all times during the dip. If breathing slows, it’s time to exit the dip. Dip the fish for no longer than 5 minutes. Multiple dips may be done, but it’s important to give your fish a day to recuperate in-between dips.

For flukes, use a dark (preferably black) bucket so you can see if tiny white worms fall out of the fish (especially out of the gills) at around the 3-4 minute mark. The worms will settle to the bottom, so you can use a flashlight to look for them there as well.

Pros - Provides temporary relief for a wide range of diseases in a chemical free environment. Can “buy you more time” until a proper treatment can be done.

Cons/Side Effects - Not a permanent “fix” for any disease, as FW dips are not potent enough to eradicate all of the parasites/worms afflicting the fish. Some fish can have an adverse reaction to a FW dip by appearing unable to maintain their equilibrium once returned to the aquarium. If this happens, hold the fish upright (using latex, nitrile or rubber gloves), and gently glide him through the water (to get saltwater flowing through the gills again). It is also a good idea to place the fish in an acclimation box until he appears “normal”.

 

[Humblefish]

The swimming pattern is definitely off... He swims like a "sick fish". I also think I see yawning (symptom of flukes) about halfway through the video. A parasite in the gills is also possible.

Genicanthus are deep water angels, so a swim bladder problem (due to improper decompression when collected) could also explain the weird swimming.

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

I really don't want to do the fw dip. The think this problem started when I needed it the first time. It got a bit stuck.

If it is flukes what would the next step be? What's available to me is basically the Seachem medication only. No prazi pro or formalin.

 

[melypr1985]

I really don't want to do the fw dip. The think this problem started when I needed it the first time. It got a bit stuck.

If it is flukes what would the next step be? What's available to me is basically the Seachem medication only. No prazi pro or formalin.

If you could get general cure, that would do it. If not, then you could try hypo in loo of freshwater dips.

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

Just got home. Fish is lying under rocks dead

Should I do a fw dip now to check that flukes was the cause of death?

 

[Humblefish]

Should I do a fw dip now to check that flukes was the cause of death?

Yes, within 5 minutes you should see tiny white specks drop out of the gills if he had flukes.

The think this problem started when I needed it the first time. It got a bit stuck.

^^Could have died due to physical trauma. Sorry for your loss.

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

There are two more videos that I'm struggling to upload. @Humblefish @melypr1985

Doesn't seem to have any flukes falling out. Not slimy either so probably not velvet or anything.

 

[Humblefish]

Based on the tattered fins, he might have also had a bacterial infection. But the tattered fins could also just be a result of postmortem decay.

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

Based on the tattered fins, he might have also had a bacterial infection. But the tattered fins could also just be a result of postmortem decay.

It was the only fish, so I can just leave the tank empty for a few months, is that what you'd recommend?

 

[melypr1985]

I dont see any flukes either from that video. I'm sorry sweetie

 

[Humblefish]

It was the only fish, so I can just leave the tank empty for a few months, is that what you'd recommend?

Since we don't know what killed the fish, I'd leave the tank fallow for 76 days. This will starve any & all diseases out, including ich.

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

I dont see any flukes either from that video. I'm sorry sweetie

Yeah, frustrating whenever this happens. . But I suppose I was playing with fire by not qting.

Since we don't know what killed the fish, I'd leave the tank fallow for 76 days. This will starve any & all diseases out, including ich.

OK cool, that's the plan for now. I'm in two minds about quarantining now. I know it reduces risk significantly. But as a high school student, time is minimal at home, no cash and I'll have to convince my parents to let me have another tank or tanks if I do TTM.

 

[R€€F @DD¡ÇT]

Ideally I'd like to leaves it fallow till mid November. Then TTM all new fish and after that put in another qt tank and do fw dips and add paraguard.

I don't think the Fish would be so bad. But then having another tank for corals and inverts would be too much. Having to wait 76 days between coral purchases so the existing ones in qt can be disease free.