Macro Quarantine

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I am in the process of setting up a FOWLR for butterflyfish, with macro as decoration. The fish will all be quarantined and are in process now. The macro went into the tank in January and the Halymenia,and Gracilaria are growing very well. Today, I saw macro that I like on a site but am afraid of introducing disease. Is there a process to clean macro besides a long quarantine period? Will a freshwater soak work? How about placing the macro in the QT tank with copper? If I go this route, how long should it go? Thanks for the help.
 
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what precisely do you want to prevent from coming in. No one procedure will eliminate all pest. The biofilm on seaweed surfaces is a mix of

Introduction​

The seaweed surface provides a suitable substratum for the settlement of microorgansims and also secretes various organic substances that function as nutrients for multiplication of bacteria and the formation of microbial biofilms (Steinberg et al., 2002; Staufenberger et al., 2008; Singh, 2013). Microbial communities living on the seaweed surface are highly complex, dynamic and consist of a consortium of microorganisms including bacteria, fungi, diatoms, protozoa, spores and larvae of marine invertebrates (Lachnit et al., 2009, 2011; Goecke et al., 2010; Burke et al., 2011a, b). Among them, bacteria are ubiquitous and occur either on the seaweed surface or in the cytosol of living host cells (Herbaspirillum sp. in Caulerpa taxifolia) and determine different stages of the life cycle of eukaryotic organisms including macroalgae (Delbridge et al., 2004; Burke et al., 2011a; Singh et al., 2011a, b, c). Quorum sensing (QS) signalling molecules produced by Gram-negative bacterial strains determine zoospores settlement in Ulva species (Joint et al., 2002) and spores liberation in Acrochaetium (Weinberger et al., 2007) and Gracilaria species (Singh, 2013). Thallusin, a bacterial metabolite, and nitrogen-fixing bacteria associated with seaweeds have also been found to be responsible for induction of morphogenesis and growth in marine macroalgae, respectively (Chisholm et al., 1996; Matsuo et al., 2005; Singh et al., 2011b). Macroalgae (as a host), also known to be ecosystem engineers, play critical roles in structuring of intertidal communities (Jones et al., 1994). Some water-soluble monosaccharides such as rhamnose, xylose, glucose, mannose and galactose are part of algal polysaccharides that constitute part of the cell wall (Popper et al., 2011) and the rest storage material (Lahaye & Axelos, 1993; Michel et al., 2010a, b). These algal polysaccharides are a potential source of carbon and energy for numerous marine bacteria (Hehemann et al., 2012) that produce specific molecules, which in turn facilitate seaweed–bacterial associations (Steinberg et al., 2002; Lachnit et al., 2013). Therefore, these interactions between seaweeds and bacteria have fascinated and attracted the attention of many researchers worldwide.
 
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@dennis romano
what precisely do you want to prevent from coming in. No one procedure will eliminate all pest. The biofilm on seaweed surfaces is a mix of

Introduction​

The seaweed surface provides a suitable substratum for the settlement of microorgansims and also secretes various organic substances that function as nutrients for multiplication of bacteria and the formation of microbial biofilms (Steinberg et al., 2002; Staufenberger et al., 2008; Singh, 2013). Microbial communities living on the seaweed surface are highly complex, dynamic and consist of a consortium of microorganisms including bacteria, fungi, diatoms, protozoa, spores and larvae of marine invertebrates (Lachnit et al., 2009, 2011; Goecke et al., 2010; Burke et al., 2011a, b). Among them, bacteria are ubiquitous and occur either on the seaweed surface or in the cytosol of living host cells (Herbaspirillum sp. in Caulerpa taxifolia) and determine different stages of the life cycle of eukaryotic organisms including macroalgae (Delbridge et al., 2004; Burke et al., 2011a; Singh et al., 2011a, b, c). Quorum sensing (QS) signalling molecules produced by Gram-negative bacterial strains determine zoospores settlement in Ulva species (Joint et al., 2002) and spores liberation in Acrochaetium (Weinberger et al., 2007) and Gracilaria species (Singh, 2013). Thallusin, a bacterial metabolite, and nitrogen-fixing bacteria associated with seaweeds have also been found to be responsible for induction of morphogenesis and growth in marine macroalgae, respectively (Chisholm et al., 1996; Matsuo et al., 2005; Singh et al., 2011b). Macroalgae (as a host), also known to be ecosystem engineers, play critical roles in structuring of intertidal communities (Jones et al., 1994). Some water-soluble monosaccharides such as rhamnose, xylose, glucose, mannose and galactose are part of algal polysaccharides that constitute part of the cell wall (Popper et al., 2011) and the rest storage material (Lahaye & Axelos, 1993; Michel et al., 2010a, b). These algal polysaccharides are a potential source of carbon and energy for numerous marine bacteria (Hehemann et al., 2012) that produce specific molecules, which in turn facilitate seaweed–bacterial associations (Steinberg et al., 2002; Lachnit et al., 2013). Therefore, these interactions between seaweeds and bacteria have fascinated and attracted the attention of many researchers worldwide.
Fond memories of my years of being a biology undergrad, especially Botany 101. Granted, a copper bath will pretty much destroy the bacteria population, but the prevention of ich, velvet and other pathogens is worth it. The final question still stands. What is the best way to prevent the introduction of these pathogens into a quarantined DT by the macro?
 
Don’t introduce any macro if you need that level of control.

If you wish to sanitize macro, a 30 second dip in fresh water is a safe option for the macro.
 
Fond memories of my years of being a biology undergrad, especially Botany 101. Granted, a copper bath will pretty much destroy the bacteria population, but the prevention of ich, velvet and other pathogens is worth it. The final question still stands. What is the best way to prevent the introduction of these pathogens into a quarantined DT by the macro?

Put your macro in with a coppper quarantine, if copper kills the seaweed, so what. You don’t introduce the pest you mentioned.

At what stage are fish in quarantine and have the fish already gone through a copper treatment?

How did you guarantee that the macro now growing in your display has none of the pest you mentioned? Both ich & velvet dormant stage last 76 days. When I started in this hobby, scientific research said that the dormant stage of ich was 7-10 days. Nature will find a way. Ask the writers of Jurassic Park.
 
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Fond memories of my years of being a biology undergrad, especially Botany 101. Granted, a copper bath will pretty much destroy the bacteria population, but the prevention of ich, velvet and other pathogens is worth it. The final question still stands. What is the best way to prevent the introduction of these pathogens into a quarantined DT by the macro?
To prevent ich and velvet you could always run a quarantine tank for the macro and just let it run fallow for the full 76 days before introducing the algae into your display tank. No guarantees it would prevent other pathogens, but it should prevent those two, and it might be less harsh than the copper.
 
Put your macro in with a coppper quarantine, if copper kills the seaweed, so what. You don’t introduce the pest you mentioned.

At what stage are fish in quarantine and have the fish already gone through a copper treatment?

How did you guarantee that the macro now growing in your display has none of the pest you mentioned? Both ich & velvet dormant stage last 76 days. When I started in this hobby, scientific research said that the dormant stage of ich was 7-10 days. Nature will find a way. Ask the writers of Jurassic Park.
Macro went into the DT the first week of January. Fish are in QT process at Dr. Reef and should be ready in three weeks. So, the timing should be fine. I also have set up a QT tank for local fish purchases. Right now, this tank is fishless. At this stage of the process, I saw several types of Gracilaria which I don't have, for sale from vendors in the Keys. I just don't want to screw up the process over a $20 piece of macro. Now, I have to decide to go fallow, copper or forget about the macro. Thanks all for advice.
 
Get your macro from supplies that do not offer fish, and you will have no problem. Today lame supplies and lfs will plumb fish systems with macro, rock, corals, and inverts. This is a terrible practice. Copper will kill the macro; I don't have experience with a fresh water dip as @Subsea suggested, but in theory it should work. Today everything is so contaminated, you do have to look out for hitchhikers like aiptasia, I got aiptasia in a fowlr up and running for years by putting macro from a very popular macro supplier mentioned here alot.
 

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