Managing Ich + Leopard Wrasse in hiding

[eraml]

Have a ~100 gal tank with:
2 O. Clowns
1 Bangaii Cardinal
1 Helfrichi Firefish

Recently added - 1 Royal Gramma & 1 Leopard Wrasse

I got the Gramma and Wrasse on Black Friday, and the Firefish two weeks before that.
The Wrasse was out and about the first few days over that weekend, but have now not seem it since ~12/1.

Today I also noticed some small white spots on the Gramma - assuming this is Ich, and thinking/hoping to try and manage instead of treat - not sure if this came from the Gramma, or possible the Helfrichi?
If this is Ich, is the Wrasse at more risk of being deceased? Since it hasn't been out in over a week.

What is the survival rate of Ich if fish is in healthy/well maintained and loss stress environment?

 

[eraml]

Clowns and Cardinal are not showing any signs of stress and/or Ich
Firefish is always out/swimming as well

 

[eraml]

Still no sign of the Leopard Wrasse, been almost two weeks now.
Tested phosphate today and it is up ~0.10 from normal. Usually run in the 0.08 - 0.12 range, but tested 0.23 today.

Could that spike be due fish death?
Or could that be due to recently adding live Brine Shrimp from AlgaeBarn?

 

[Hugh Mann]

I can't say specifically about the wrasse, but I have heard they often will hide for a long time when introduced.

As for the ich, management isn't overly difficult, but it is a delicate balance. Good food, clean water and low stress and you're golden.

As for the survival rate, ich has to be pretty bad before it starts killing fish. If you're only seeing a few spots, assuming it's ich, it wouldn't be that.

 

[SaltyT]

Leopard wrasses come out of the sand to die so if you haven‘t seen a body it’s likely still buried somewhere. Leopards can stay buried for long periods when they’re stressed, which could be bc of the possible disease in your tank. Is your gramma breathing heavy? Can you post any pics of your fish?

 

[eraml]

Yes, haven't seen a body - or any snails/hermits in one area digging one up.
Just thought that the spike in Phosphate may have indicated a death.

The firefish appears to be looking better - still actively swimming and eating, and seeing less spots
Gramma seems ok, just lots of brushing/rubbing against rocks/sand - but no heavy breathing.

Took pics with original post, but it was hard to make anything out from the iPhone camera - as the spots are minor and not building on the skin.

 

[eraml]

Still no sign off the Wrasse - have not seem him now in ~3 weeks

Fish are still managing with the Ich, both Firefish and Gramma - - nothing on Clowns/Cardinal
Tried to get a few pics

 

[ca1ore]

That the leopard was out for a few days before disappearing is not a good sign. It’s probably dead. I’ve had a few die in the sand.

 

[eraml]

Wouldn't the snails/crabs/shrimp un-earth the dead wrasse in the sand?
Agree, thinking it is likely dead at this point, just confused why haven't seen a cuc feast on a dead wrasse

 

[eraml]

Firefish has taken a turn for the worse today.
Laying on the sanded, not out like was yesterday, fire shrimp/crabs showing interest - don't think it will make it through today.

I was thinking since it had made it (along with the Gramma) about 4 weeks, that things would start to get better and they would fight it off - is that not the case? How long can it last for?

Still no sight of the Wrasse - assuming dead in sanded/under a rock