Manganese for Gonis

[JGT]

Looking to try some dosing of manganese for my gonis. Seems to be various flavors available so looking for the most appropriate for a reef tank. Seems there is manganese nitrate/sulfate/dioxide/bisglycinate. Any of these preferred or I should stay away from?

Thanks.

 

[Hydrored]

Contact Andre Mueller

Contact Andre Mueller

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You can use the assessment tool to get a baseline based on actual volume

I don’t recommend dosing anything you do not test for, at least do a baseline ICP then send one after a month of dosing

 

[JGT]

Yes, my ICP test suggests dosing Manganese. It also suggests it may be beneficial to gonis. Additionally, I read on R2R people have reported good things when dosing it. Just trying to figure out which variation as Amz has a bunch and reasonably priced. The moonshiners isn’t too bad cost wise. Have you used it?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I don't think Moonshiners bases the dose on measurements either. Just discussed that in the now shut down Moonshine thread. You just take their word for it that its a good amount (and the test avoids overdose, but not underdose) At least that's what users told me. Seems identical to other methods for manganese.

Reefers Moonshine Method - Let's discuss

I can’t believe you would talk to the master like that Well. I was on bended knee when I typed it

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I know the manganese recommendation has been around for a very long time for goniopora, but I do not independently know it to be true.

But manganese is rapidly depleted, and the counterion will not matter much as long as it dissolves since so little is actually dosed. There are some DIY around...

Molybdenum and Manganese DIY Supplement

Randy, which form of Molybdenum and Manganese are water soluble for a DIY reef supplement? Are either of these safe for dosing? If not, can you recommend a more suitable form? Molybdenum (as Sodium Molybate) http://alphachemicals.com/sodium_molybdate Manganese (as Manganese Dioxide or...

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[JGT]

Yeah, not sure I buy into it either, but figured I’d give it a shot to see if I see any bennies by dosing. Will give the links a read, thanks.

 

[Hydrored]

The doses are based on water volume and ICP tests trends @Randy Holmes-Farley

My manganese was a bit high last ICP so I just adjust it down a bit. I send a test monthly

 

[minus9]

Moonshiner here and both my gonis grow like weeds. I'm a heavy in/heavy out kinda reefer, so the fish get a lot of food. I've never directly fed my gonis (or any of my corals), but I also use EasyBooster and SpsEvo by EasyReefs at about half the recommended amount. I know Julian Sprung talks about dosing manganese and iron with goni/alveopora.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

The doses are based on water volume and ICP tests trends @Randy Holmes-Farley

My manganese was a bit high last ICP so I just adjust it down a bit. I send a test monthly

You moonshine fans can argue among yourselves whether manganese is dosed to a target, or not. Others clearly said not.

 

[minus9]

You moonshine fans can argue among yourselves whether manganese is dosed to a target, or not. Others clearly said not.

No arguments between shiners here, we just share info and help each other out. It’s actually a great group of reefers who contribute to each other’s tanks and advocate for success among all hobbyists involved, whether they do the shine or not.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

No arguments between shiners here, we just share info and help each other out. It’s actually a great group of reefers who contribute to each other’s tanks and advocate for success among all hobbyists involved, whether they do the shine or not.

No doubt, but you do seem to disagree on whether manganese is just dosed daily based on someone else's opinion on what is needed in a reef tank (like most typical additive systems), or whether it is dosed to a target level.

 

[Hydrored]

No doubt, but you do seem to disagree on whether manganese is just dosed daily based on someone else's opinion on what is needed in a reef tank (like most typical additive systems), or whether it is dosed to a target level.

I'll start with nobody ever accused me of being smart, so I'm not going to bother challenging you on anything to do with chemistry. I dose it daily based on a target level as shown on my ATI ICP results that are sent monthly. If it's a touch too high/low then I adjust my daily dose a bit. Not sure where the just dose chemicals based on somebody's opinion are coming from.

I would not subscribe to dosing anything without frequent testing as I said before, any reefer who just takes a excel calculator and says I can just blindly dose these additives based on Andre's word is asking for a tank crash/coral death

EDIT:

The method I followed was to

1. Get a baseline ICP
2. Adjust to recommended levels
3. Started daily doses with half of the recommended doses
4. Sent ICP

Repeat and adjust until you are hitting the targets. I want to make one thing clear, I'm not defending or saying Moonshiners is the best thing for everyone, I actually don't care how people manage their tanks, there are many routes to a successful tank.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Not sure where the just dose chemicals based on somebody's opinion are coming from.

From other Moonshine users who said that's what the method involves. Other than what users say they do, I do not know any details of what users of Moonshine actually do.

I linked it above. Here it is again:

Reefers Moonshine Method - Let's discuss

How do you know it's enough? Just trusting that moonshine is putting enough in? Organism observation? For iron and manganese, how's that different than dosing Kent iron and manganese supplement? From what I understand the problem is that current ICP analysis cannot get down to the values...

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Randy Holmes-Farley said:
How do you know it's enough? Just trusting that moonshine is putting enough in? Organism observation?

For iron and manganese, how's that different than dosing Kent iron and manganese supplement?

From what I understand the problem is that current ICP analysis cannot get down to the values needed for us to really zero in. Therefore, the dailies are dosed. A little bit of something is better than a little bit of nothing.