Mantis shrimp or cuttlefish?

Mantis or cuttlefish?


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Trying to decide on a cool invert for a display macroalgae/mangrove tank. If it we're your tank, would you keep a peacock mantis shrimp or a small group of dwarf cuttlefish, and why?

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Drew
 
I voted dwarf cuttle (Pajama squid, perhaps? Maybe an offset daylight schedule, with a deep blue moonlight?).. because I've always wanted to try them, and never have... but the answer really has more to do with your experience and skill level. Cuttles can be a challenge. Mantis shrimp are easy, as long as you're keeping them in a species specific tank. Both are known to demonstrate some very interesting behaviors.
 
I’ve got a mantis tank. When I checked last time dwarf cuttlefish were scary expensive.

Cuttles would be cooler though if you could do it.
 
Get the cuttlefish first then the mantis. I love cuttlefish but they don't last long. Unless you get a breeding group they will be gone in a year.

I hatched 2 rounds of sepia bandensis but never got any to lay eggs themselves. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
 
Mantis, definitely. Cuttlefish are my fav sea creature of all time but I’d never keep one. Personally I would feel bad keeping one. Cephalopods in general are incredibly intelligent and I don’t think any captive envirnment can be adequate for them. I watched the flamboyant cuttles at an aquarium for about an hour. A few of them swam up and down along the tank walls the entire time. Couldn't help but think they wanted out or were simply bored. Octopuses are incredible escape artists, it’s one of the biggest reasons they are rare in the hobby.

Just something to consider...
 
I voted dwarf cuttle (Pajama squid, perhaps? Maybe an offset daylight schedule, with a deep blue moonlight?).. because I've always wanted to try them, and never have... but the answer really has more to do with your experience and skill level. Cuttles can be a challenge. Mantis shrimp are easy, as long as you're keeping them in a species specific tank. Both are known to demonstrate some very interesting behaviors.
Thanks for the input. Offset daylight might be cool with them, I'm down for the challenge of cuttlefish. They'll have plenty of volume outside of the display to keep water quality good.

I’ve got a mantis tank. When I checked last time dwarf cuttlefish were scary expensive.
Cuttles would be cooler though if you could do it.
Saltwaterfish.com has them for $22 for CB babies, and eggs go for less on other sites I think - maybe you're thinking of flamboyant cuttlefish? They usually go for several hundred a piece.

What size tank?
3x2x2, about 90 gallons on a nearly 900-gallon system - lots of volume.

Get the cuttlefish first then the mantis. I love cuttlefish but they don't last long. Unless you get a breeding group they will be gone in a year.
I hatched 2 rounds of sepia bandensis but never got any to lay eggs themselves. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
There's an idea - I'd definitely try to get a breeding group going, though. I'll have about 140 gallons worth of quarantine space to work with, where I could keep babies.

Mantis, definitely. Cuttlefish are my fav sea creature of all time but I’d never keep one. Personally I would feel bad keeping one. Cephalopods in general are incredibly intelligent and I don’t think any captive envirnment can be adequate for them. I watched the flamboyant cuttles at an aquarium for about an hour. A few of them swam up and down along the tank walls the entire time. Couldn't help but think they wanted out or were simply bored. Octopuses are incredible escape artists, it’s one of the biggest reasons they are rare in the hobby.
Just something to consider...
There is definitely a downside to them. They would have lots of peaceful soft corals, macroalgaes, rock overhangs, and mangroves to swim around in, in a 3x2x2 tank - so maybe that would help with it?
Octopus was a consideration, but the reclusiveness of them (except the Coldwater species which would not fare well on my tropical system) combined with their excape artist nature just makes them unappealing to me. The cuttlefish, from my understanding, would be out in the open a bit more.

Drew
 
3x2x2 is the size I used for both cuttlefish and octopus (octopus briareus). An Octopus is actually easier to care for than cuttlefish in that you can get them eating frozen foods relatively easy. For cuttlefish I wouldn't bother. By the time they are old enough to take frozen you might as well just continue to feed them live or mostly live. If you are not prepared to order live mysid shrimps either weekly or biweekly after they hatch forget about them. Unless of course you live by the ocean and can catch your own.

As for the comment on cuttlefish not being comfortable in captivity I don't believe this for a second. First of all their peers are things like snails. Yes they are extremely intelligent compared to Snails and Slugs, but not so much compared to cats or dogs. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a cuttlefish in a small tank then say a large tang. Second any cuttlefish you get is going to come as an egg or a newly hatched egg. They will have never known what the ocean was or swam in it. There have been many multi-generational rearing. Even Flamboyant are now raised in public aquariums (still waiting on the hobbyist level). As I said if you really can't decide but want cuttlefish just get them and then move onto something else. Even if they do lay eggs you can simply remove them or sell them if you want to try something else.
 
Here are my pair of Flamboyants. had them about 2 months now> hoping one is a female. Thanks

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3x2x2 is the size I used for both cuttlefish and octopus (octopus briareus). An Octopus is actually easier to care for than cuttlefish in that you can get them eating frozen foods relatively easy. For cuttlefish I wouldn't bother. By the time they are old enough to take frozen you might as well just continue to feed them live or mostly live. If you are not prepared to order live mysid shrimps either weekly or biweekly after they hatch forget about them. Unless of course you live by the ocean and can catch your own.

As for the comment on cuttlefish not being comfortable in captivity I don't believe this for a second. First of all their peers are things like snails. Yes they are extremely intelligent compared to Snails and Slugs, but not so much compared to cats or dogs. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a cuttlefish in a small tank then say a large tang. Second any cuttlefish you get is going to come as an egg or a newly hatched egg. They will have never known what the ocean was or swam in it. There have been many multi-generational rearing. Even Flamboyant are now raised in public aquariums (still waiting on the hobbyist level). As I said if you really can't decide but want cuttlefish just get them and then move onto something else. Even if they do lay eggs you can simply remove them or sell them if you want to try something else.
 
Keep in mind these cuttles are extremely delicate you need a constant supply of live food, a chiller and well established tank. I have successfully kept octopuses in this tank so just keep that in mind. Thanks
 
Keep in mind these cuttles are extremely delicate you need a constant supply of live food, a chiller and well established tank. I have successfully kept octopuses in this tank so just keep that in mind. Thanks

Sepia Bandensis, and I believe Metasepia pfefferi (flamboyants) are both tropical and do not require a chiller. Sepia Officinalis probably do, but despite being the "common" cuttlefish they are harder to find and likely too large for your tank. I also disagree they are extremely delicate. They do need live food especially when they first hatch and I recommend you just keep them on live food since by the time you train them to eat frozen they are only going to live a few more months but they can be trained to eat frozen food after they have sufficiently grown. Their inking is much smaller then a lot of Octopi, assuming you have a protein skimmer it will remove the ink without concern.
 
Ok you may not need a chiller if you have central a/c because they do not like water temps above 78 degrees.
 

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